Zzupler wrote:The original designer, Minh Sanghsu also goes by the name dolimo so it looks like it's legit!

Quarkboy wrote:

Zzupler wrote:The original designer, Minh Sanghsu also goes by the name dolimo so it looks like it's legit!

Have any other of dolimo's puzzle been mass produced? Looking at the museum I see basically a list of everything I never knew I wanted so badly...

jiroscop wrote:I don't know but his puzzles are the most insanely difficult puzzles in the museum from a designer's perspective. HOW a Pentagram +Pentultimate hybrid is possible at all 0.O
http://www.twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/pu ... ?pkey=4570

Yezi wrote:

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This one has been mass-produced

mig_ wrote:I've only seen people mentioning the rotated corner parity, which I did experience and was easy enough to solve.
Edit: There's also a 2 switched edges parity.

Brandon Enright wrote:

mig_ wrote:I've only seen people mentioning the rotated corner parity, which I did experience and was easy enough to solve.
Edit: There's also a 2 switched edges parity.

Can you be more specific about what you mean by this?

I suppose if you solve into the wrong orientation that could result in what looks like two swapped edges?

benpuzzles wrote:

Brandon Enright wrote:I suppose if you solve into the wrong orientation that could result in what looks like two swapped edges?

Your assumption is right; I've encountered this once during a solve. It's possible to mix up the orientations because individual edge pieces can be reoriented using the Curvy Copter moves.

Brandon Enright wrote:

benpuzzles wrote:

Brandon Enright wrote:I suppose if you solve into the wrong orientation that could result in what looks like two swapped edges?

Your assumption is right; I've encountered this once during a solve. It's possible to mix up the orientations because individual edge pieces can be reoriented using the Curvy Copter moves.

Yeah so this doesn't happen on a Dino Cube because the edge orientations are restricted such that only 12 orientations are possible but adding in the edge moves allows for changing of orientations and this would open up all 24 possibilities for the edges except that would require the edges reach an odd permutation. So when it looks like you have a pair of edges swapped, actually you have 5 pairs of edges swapped and one pair not swapped.

I like the quirks that often come with hybrid puzzles

diascosta wrote:Does anyone know how to work out how many combinations we have in this puzzle (with and without jumbling moves)?

• 8 corners, 3 orientations each, all distinct -> (8! * 3^8)
• 12 edges, 2 orientations each, all distinct -> (12! * 2^12)
• 24 right-chiral petals, no orientation, 6 groups of 4 -> (24! / (4! ^ 6))
• 24 left-chiral petals, no orientation, 6 groups of 4 -> (24! / (4! ^ 6))
• 24 tornados, no orientation, 6 groups of 4 -> (24! / (4! ^ 6))

• Edges can only be in even permutations -> (2)
• The parity of edge flips is tied to the permutation parity of corners -> (2)
• The puzzle can be solved into 12 different orientations (edge parity prevents the other 12 orientations) -> (12)

gap> TrueSize(flowerCopter_all, colors6) / 12;
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