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 Post subject: Rubik's Cube's "Evil Twin"
PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:18 pm 
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My first real mod if you don't count Tetraminx or 5-color Alxeanders Star.

I actually built this a couple of days ago but I had to get it solved so I could take photos. It's pretty tricky. I think I bought all the 2x2x2's in town so I had to use the one from my collection and glue a couple cubies back together from the Trick Haus project, so there are a couple of flaws but it's just the prototype anyway.

I proudly present Evil Twin......


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Wow thats great!!!

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This looks very much alike Tony Fisher's Cubie Chaos puzzles. Very nice! Any detail on how it is designed?

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It is like cubie chaos, that was my inspiration for this puzzle.
It's 2 2x2x2's siamesed at the corner and built up into a 3x3x3. It's a tiny bit bigger than a regular cube.

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That is so cool! Fantastic job! After seeing only the first image of the solved state, I was thinking "uh oh, what's this thing going to look like scrambled?" and I was amazed by what I saw. Cool name too. :wink:


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Seems like everyone uses better stickers than me ... :oops:
Ah. Forget it.
I like it. Especially the solved position. You can't distinguish it from a standard cube. Nicely done!

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Oh, I love it! A great surprise.


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It could be interesting also to do this with 3x3x3's and build up to a 4x4x4...

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Or even taking 4 or something 3x3x3s to make a 5x5x5...

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Here is my slightly different 'evil twin'...took a couple of hours to make (couldnt be bothered filling the extended cubies).

It was made with fused 2x2s instead of siamese ones. That also saved some time as I bought them attached.


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Good job. Looks great.


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Very nice.
Where did you get the Fused Cubes from?

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http://www.rubikfan.de or equivalent on eBay.

Its only small, but works nicely - Its a little larger than a generic keychain cube.

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Following NickyUK's lead, I made a little Evil Twin from Eastsheen 2x2x2 X4. I thought it would save alot of time building but it really doesnt compared to the full size model. Great mechanisim though, and I did fill the cubies on this one.


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Looks great, much nicer than mine did!

I was going to fill in the cubies, but I found it really hard to make the sides straight, without spending a lot of time on it.

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Nicky,

If you want to know the way to save time with epoxy putty, I'll tell you what I've learned.

1 - Take the pieces off of the mechanisim.

2 - When filling cubies make sure you take your time and get the epoxy nice and straight with as little extra as possible. Then when it's time to sand it down you don't have to spend as much time. It's alot easier to remove the extra epoxy when it's soft.

The first couple of puzzles that I filled the cubies on took me forever to sand because I put way too much inside. I think I have it figured out pretty well now.

thanks for the compliment - mike

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Thanks for the advice.

Ive just got hold of another fused 2x2 puzzle, and I'll have another go at it soon. Ive got study leave coming up (for my final a-level exams, scary!), so i'll have time to give it a better shot.

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Those are nice :D
Are they really hard to solve?

A local store might be getting some siamese cubes and I'll be tempted to build a twin.

Is there any guide for building it?


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AndrewSeven wrote:
Those are nice :D
Are they really hard to solve?

A local store might be getting some siamese cubes and I'll be tempted to build a twin.

Is there any guide for building it?


thank you..

Well the first time i mixed it up, it took me all day to solve it and I built the thing. I think I was going about it the wrong way though and now I can solve it in less than 10 min.

If you buy a 2x2x2 X4 from mefferts in the keychain section, it has exactly enough cubies and the mechanisim is already built for $15. I would recommend however using epoxy to fill the cubies otherwise you shred your stickers quickly.

I plan on posting directions since a lot of people have been asking me about that. I'm waiting for a puzzle shipment so the next one I build I'll take photos.

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A local store got in a bunch of siamese cubes.

They are eastsheen, 2x2 keychain size. 2,3 and 4 cubes fused.

I'm going to try making a twin.


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Andrew,

The one that is four puzzles linked has exactly enough cubies to make an Evil Twin. If you want to come up with your own layout, be sure that you are able to twist it once it's together. If you'd like to use the official evil twin layout, heres a photo of how the cubies are extended and laid out.

The bottom layer is on the left, the middle layer is the middle and the top layer is on the right. The very center cubie in my photo will be different from what yours has, you'll use one of the double mechanisims inside the eastsheen X4. I can also hook you up with some custom vinyl stickers with logo and by the Cubesmith if you are interested.

good luck!


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Thanks for the pic, I'll try that one.
I started with three cubes made of 4 all grouped around one corner and it moves very well.

It might be better to use 2 2^2 than a 2^4 because you would have to undo the connected centers.

2 2^2 plus 1 2^4 can make 2 evil twins


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I guess I revlived this thread...

Well anyway, by the personal guidence of skeneegee I was able to create my first custom puzzle. The Evil Twin. Although it is a mini one and the cubes are filled in horridly I think of this as a learning experience.

Here are some pictures


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This is such an excellent puzzle. I was fortunate enough to get a mini evil twin from skeneegee at WC05, and am very impressed with it.


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Kal El wrote:
This is such an excellent puzzle. I was fortunate enough to get a mini evil twin from skeneegee at WC05, and am very impressed with it.



Thank you Mr. Morris, I'm glad to see you here!


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skeneegee wrote:
heres a photo of how the cubies are extended and laid out.


I am not sure I got everything from your photo, but I made an illustration of how I interpreted it...
can someone please confirm I am right, or correct me where I am wrong


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I read this topic more carfully and found a refference to Tony Fishers Cubie Chaos creations, and got interested in studying them more...

The result is the "connection chart" below...

I know I might be totaly wrong, but it is a suggestion that I really would like to either be confirmed or corrected...


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Amazing work Haara.

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Haara,


That is the correct layout. Great job!

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skeneegee wrote:
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That is the correct layout. Great job!


Thanks!

Were you reffering to the Evil Twin, the Cubie Chaos 1 or both?


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Haara wrote:
Were you reffering to the Evil Twin, the Cubie Chaos 1 or both?


Sorry, I meant on Evil Twin. I do not know about Cubie Chaos, those are Mr. Fishers design.

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How many 2x2's do you need to make an evil twin? can I use eastsheens or does it have to be rubiks? Do I solve it just like a siamese 2x2?


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sorry had to edit it. i felt bad for my yelling at him

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PKRTCN wrote:
How many 2x2's do you need to make an evil twin? can I use eastsheens or does it have to be rubiks? Do I solve it just like a siamese 2x2?


1. You need 2 fused 2x2s

2. It would be easier to use rubik's because they are the same sized cubies as
a 3x3

3. No, there are turn restrictions (that what makes it so hard)

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What would be a fair price for one? And who is willing to make one for me? I have solved Mike's before, it's quite tricky indeed.

I have money... to spend on puzzles now.

Erm, maybe I should go ask Mike in person!


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Myke wrote:
2. It would be easier to use rubik's because they are the same sized cubies as a 3x3


Well, they aren't.

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What would be a fair price for one? And who is willing to make one for me? I have solved Mike's before, it's quite tricky indeed.

I have money... to spend on puzzles now.

Erm, maybe I should go ask Mike in person!


-Doug


ill build one for you for $150 (his went on ebay for something around $250 mine won't be as good quality, but they are still good. i'm planning on maing my third over the weekend


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I want it full sized and in black plastic, unstickered. Regular sized stickers should fit it.

And how do I know what quality it will be, I can judge if I saw one, but I don't know your work. But the price sounds fair...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:59 pm 
i can only use the eastsheen keychain 2x2s, but i seriously recommend building one yourself, they are very easy.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:26 pm 
not to amazing and the vid quality isnt that great, but heres my evil twin!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JrA-4_dWoAg


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That is one cool puzzle. :)


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