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 Post subject: Aleh's Gigaminx [Video]
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:24 pm 
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Brand new. Found it by accident. Finger trickable. Impressive. Turns amazing.

Apparently Puzzlemaster42 designed it?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5046188754

P.S. I had an epiphany on the Circle Cube. The White/Red/Blue corner never separates from it's centers.

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Wow. just wow.

I wonder if the new mechanism is based off an Olympic cube design? I Don't think it is possible to cut corners like that on the old version.

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That's just amazing. I want to do a solve on this... I don't get it either, how does it cut corners like that?

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Wow this is awesome!!! (no offense TBTTyler(you were the first one to create one and no one can take that away from you)) I wonder what he does differently then Tyler on his Gigaminx. Damn that is very very beautiful movement. I'm pretty sure he did it with CAD and 3-D printing but I could be wrong on that.

Better yet how does it speedsolve like that?


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that's just awesome...

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Well crap, I just redesigned the gigaminx too. :? :)


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Astonishing. I really need to get a Gigaminx that turns as well as this one.

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HOly Crap!!!!!!!!!!! It turns like an ES!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!! :shock:


What the hell do you mean? I thought only Rubik's cube could only cut corners like that and ES has to be perfectly aligned or am I wrong on that?

So do you have any additional comments you want to add Puzzlemaster42?

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Darren Grewe wrote:
Taylor wrote:
HOly Crap!!!!!!!!!!! It turns like an ES!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!! :shock:


What the hell do you mean? I thought only Rubik's cube could only cut corners like that and ES has to be perfectly aligned or am I wrong on that?

So do you have any additional comments you want to add Puzzlemaster42?
I think he's referring to the ease in which it's being turned, not the corner cutting.

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Darren Grewe wrote:
So do you have any additional comments you want to add Puzzlemaster42?


I designed it, and Aleh built it. The original design dates back to before I joined this forum, and Aleh's puzzle is a refined version of that proof of concept design.

I will post some pictures of the Gigaminx here or in the Puzzle Building forum.

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Any chance you will be making these available for purchase the same way you did with the SuperX and Helicopter Cueb?

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Amazing!


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:shock: .................................. :shock: :shock: :shock: ................................COOL!!


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Noah wrote:
Any chance you will be making these available for purchase the same way you did with the SuperX and Helicopter Cube?


ka-ching

I was thinking that when I was reading your first post in the topic you made.

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The part that amazed me the most was when he turned the layers against each other, just like a nice speedcube! Great job Puzzlemaster42 & Aleh! (or should I say, Puzzlemaster42 and puzzlemaster43?)


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Darren Grewe wrote:
Noah wrote:
Any chance you will be making these available for purchase the same way you did with the SuperX and Helicopter Cube?


ka-ching

I was thinking that when I was reading your first post in the topic you made.


chi-ca-boom!

Same here!!!

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time for the teraminx! lol

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Incredible! They got a gigaminx to turn better than most megaminxes!


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that is the most beautiful thing i have ever seen. i wouldnt be surprised to see that go for close to 1k. please sell the design to meffert so it can be mass produced.


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:shock: *speechless*

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QUINBLZ wrote:
i wouldnt be surprised to see that go for close to 1k

Aleh's Brilic's used to sell on eBay for $1000, and that required him to mold (and sticker!) far fewer pieces. So if this Gigaminx were to see eBay (I doubt it...) and went for only $1000 it would not be such a good return on his efforts :) :(
It may sound like a lot of money, but we're talking about a *huge* amount of time and skill to build.

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WOW,

I NEED ONE !!

Nice work !!
It seems like an ES Gigaminx, same sound :P

You need to sell it :P


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Puzzlemaster42's designs are really nice. I would love to get some master pieces for this and try building one myself.


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Great work Adam and Aleh.

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Puzzlemaster42 wrote:
Darren Grewe wrote:
So do you have any additional comments you want to add Puzzlemaster42?


I designed it, and Aleh built it. The original design dates back to before I joined this forum, and Aleh's puzzle is a refined version of that proof of concept design.

I will post some pictures of the Gigaminx here or in the Puzzle Building forum.


Will it be possible to create the pieces also by a 3D printer?
This could decrease the price enormously, I think.

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Frank Tiex wrote:
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Darren Grewe wrote:
So do you have any additional comments you want to add Puzzlemaster42?


I designed it, and Aleh built it. The original design dates back to before I joined this forum, and Aleh's puzzle is a refined version of that proof of concept design.

I will post some pictures of the Gigaminx here or in the Puzzle Building forum.


Will it be possible to create the pieces also by a 3D printer?
This could decrease the price enormously, I think.

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It may or may not reduce the price, but it would surely reduce the time to make the puzzle greatly.

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but, the pieces would still have to be sanded to reduce rubbing.

how are printed puzzles straight out of the printer?


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Wow, that is just incredible.

Congrats to Adam and Aleh on this.


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Noah wrote:
Frank Tiex wrote:
Will it be possible to create the pieces also by a 3D printer?
This could decrease the price enormously, I think.

- Frank -
It may or may not reduce the price, but it would surely reduce the time to make the puzzle greatly.

At one time I was helping PuzzleMaster42 print parts (the TechShop never did get back to me about the Gigaminx masters...) and while the raw cost of printing all the parts of a Gigaminx would probably be under $1000, each part requires careful prep (sanding) before you could use it in a puzzle. And with all those pieces consistency is *very* important so casting seems like a better option.

But Aleh would know for sure. Is it more work to prep a piece or to cast an already prepared piece? The cost of any one piece isn't that much (although it adds up on hundreds of pieces...) so it is the labor that would determine it.

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I am ready to put a lot of money for this.


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I wouldn't mind seeing him do a slice move on this.

Still waiting for Aleh to make a thread for it too. This fantastic needs comments from it's builder.

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DLitwin wrote:
[..] it is the labor that would determine it.

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That's what I wanted to express. Time is money and I assume, that printing a larger amount of pieces - even if some postprocessing is necessary - could spare a lot of time. Adam has some experience with 3D printing, Aleh is really a master of creating them by himself completely. Even if the spared time was only about 5min each it would sum up significantly with the high number of pieces required. And this becomes even more important the more puzzles you want to build.

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Well, you got to find a way to produce these puzzles, they're just too amazing ! I'm willing to buy one if it is around 500$. They are just amazing, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who's ready to give a good amount for this gigaminx.


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Well, you got to find a way to produce these puzzles, they're just too amazing ! I'm willing to buy one if it is around 500$. They are just amazing, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who's ready to give a good amount for this gigaminx.
Unless they some how get mass produced, there's no way it would be under $500.

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Noah wrote:
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Well, you got to find a way to produce these puzzles, they're just too amazing ! I'm willing to buy one if it is around 500$. They are just amazing, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who's ready to give a good amount for this gigaminx.
Unless they some how get mass produced, there's no way it would be under $500.


I know, but if they're gonna be mass produced, I'm willing to pay more than this price.


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Yea you're looking at the $800-$1000 range minimum. Think of how much the Brilic went for and think about how many more parts the Gigaminx contains.

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Do you think that the gigaminx will be available one day for that price ??? If yes, I'm starting right now to put my money in a bottle !


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Well, I don't think the Gigaminx will be mass-produced until well after the V-Cube 7x7x7. Although Mr. Verdes doesn't seem to have any interest in higher-order minxes, if the large V-Cubes do well in sales it will convince others who also have access to mass-production factories (for instance Mefferts, Edison, or various Chinese puzzle factories) that they could also make money off other puzzles with such large amount of pieces. The Gigaminx and 7x7x7 are pretty similar in terms of consumer perception as well - they're both very large and seemingly very complicated puzzles, but they can be solved like pre-existing puzzles if you're willing to spend a bit more time. They both appeal to collectors and some cubers, but probably not the general public, and I think they'd perform similarly in the puzzle market.

Note that a Gigaminx has slightly more pieces than a 7x7x7 (243 vs 219) and fewer types of pieces (7 vs 11) counting the cores, so it's a decent comparison as far as factory production is concerned. Of course, the Gigaminx may even be slightly easier to design pieces for. So if 7x7x7 sells about a thousand units for $100 each, say, I think it would be possible to convince a puzzle maker that they could produce and sell about the same number of Gigaminxes for about the same price (and hopefully about the same quality :D).

On the other hand, of course, I wouldn't expect to buy a handmade Gigaminx for under $500 any more than I would expect to buy a handmade 7x7x7 for that price :P For most of us the only way will be to wait for mass-production or make it yourself.

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how bout just the printed parts. let it be a sort of diy, save lots of time and not have to worry about casting. only thing is, casting may be cheaper than 3d printer "ink." I wouldnt mind sanding 243 pieces for one of these


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Aleh or Adam, out of curiosity, was the core custom printed, or was it similar to what Tyler/Geert did by using the Chinese Minx core for the Gigaxminx Core and adding on to it?

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Aleh or Adam, out of curiosity, was the core custom printed, or was it similar to what Tyler/Geert did by using the Chinese Minx core for the Gigaxminx Core and adding on to it?


The core is a simple 12 armed 3D printed part. The centers are similar to the Megaminx or Rubik's Cube centers. A hollow cylinder holds a spring and screw attached to the central core.

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:shock: Great job Aleh and Adam! I assume the interior is built around spheres rather than cylinders.
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Amazing job building this! I think my jaw dropped when it cut corners like that in the video, and my jaw rarely drops for puzzles!

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Absolutely amazing! I mean...really, this is how far we have come? wow


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