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 Post subject: ‘Turn apart’ puzzle and ‘Unscrambled’ puzzle by Oskar
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:44 pm 
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In the ‘General topics’ section of this forum a new puzzle by Oskar van Deventer was presented today which is called ‘Unscrambled’.
Earlier, another puzzle by Oskar van Deventer, called ‘Turn Apart’, was already presented at this forum (see:
viewtopic.php?t=7639&highlight=turn+apart ).

The ‘Turn apart’ puzzle is a take apart puzzle which requires certain twisty-like movements to be taken apart.
It can be bought via George Miller (http://www.puzzlepalace.com/, USD 375).
The ‘unscrambled‘ puzzle is not (yet) available.

I have made arrangements with Oskar van Deventer and a 3D printing facility to have a limited number of these puzzles made.
The exact amount of puzzles to be made as well as the costs involved are not exactly known yet. Both also depend on each other.

In case you are interested in one or both of these puzzles, please send me an e-mail (please use my regular e-mail and no pm’s) and I will keep you informed on the progress.

In the beginning of next week I intend to make the arrangements for a one-time, limited ‘production run’ of these puzzles.

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The Turn apart puzzle:
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The 'Unscrambled' puzzle:
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:55 pm 
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Both of those look great!

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sirajali05 wrote:
Both of those look great!


Yeah, but those first two Turn Apart photos are awful. (And...unfortunately...they're mine. :oops: )

Geert why did you pair 'Unscrambled' with 'Turn Apart' here? Are you planning to produce some Turn Apart puzzles, or were you just pointing out their similarities?

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I have received files of both puzzles by Oskar and it is the intention to make a very limited series of both puzzles (all in agreement with Oskar).

Geert


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Would these be approximately the same price as Oskar's or would this be less expensive?

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Is there a price estimate on the unscrambled, it looks very interesting.


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I emailed on Wednesday with a subject like "[TwistyPuzzles] Unscrambled Puzzle" because I thought it would distinguish it from spam. Did you receive it, or should I try again with a different subject?

(edit) no longer applicable -- email communication has been confirmed

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Prices of the puzzles are still not yet known, but probably more will become known this week.
I will keep all people who showed interest in one or both of these puzzles updated via personal mails.
All those who showed already some interest (via sending me a personal e-mail) are receiving a return e-mail by me today.
Should you have written me an e-mail about this subject and are not receiving a personal e-mail today, please let me know (in that case e.g. via a pm).

Geert


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Below are some pictures of the Turn apart puzzle and the Unscrambled puzzle, made from nylon material by means of the SLS rapid manufacturing method.

Geert

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Beautiful. Any new word on when the puzzles will be for sale?

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How soon do you want the payment for the puzzle(s)? ASAP? A week or two? Longer?

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I was asked for the dimensions of both puzzles.

The Unscrambled puzzle is 60 mm* 60 mm and has a height of 44 mm.
The Turnapart has a height of 40 mm (44 mm at the rim).

Furthermore, I would like to mention that the Unscrambled puzzle is a combined invention and effort by both Oskar van Deventer as well as Bram Cohen,

Geert


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Below are some pictures of the Unscrambled puzzle in solved state.

The puzzle is extremely difficult to solve.
First of all, not all random assemblies will yield a solution.
Furthermore, even when being assembled correctly, it takes at least 21 or 22 steps (turns) to get the assembled puzzle to the ‘Unscrambled’ state.

This makes the puzzle almost impossible to solve, since it is so difficult to imagine steps ahead.

Geert


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Geert Hellings wrote:
Below are some pictures of the Unscrambled puzzle in solved state.

The puzzle is extremely difficult to solve.
First of all, not all random assemblies will yield a solution.
Furthermore, even when being assembled correctly, it takes at least 21 or 22 steps (turns) to get the assembled puzzle to the ‘Unscrambled’ state.

This makes the puzzle almost impossible to solve, since it is so difficult to imagine steps ahead.

Geert
So it's highly likely to assemble the puzzle in an unsolvable state?

How would we know how to assemble it correctly? Just curious.

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I will send the puzzles in the Unscrambled state + include instructions on how to turn it into the position at which it can be disassembled.

Geert


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Stupid question. Is it possible to make any 360 degrees turns or can we only make 180 degrees turns? The reason why I'm asking is because it's a way to look a head.

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Yes, it is possible to make 360 degree turns.
This can e.g. be observed from the picture below.

The pieces run in V-shaped (dovetail like) grooves and can be rotated 180 or 360 degrees when there is a correct alignment.

Geert


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Geert Hellings wrote:
Yes, it is possible to make 360 degree turns.
This can e.g. be observed from the picture below.

The pieces run in V-shaped (dovetail like) grooves and can be rotated 180 or 360 degrees when there is a correct alignment.

Geert



Exactly!

When I tried it, it had reminded me the movement of the Square-1 (hence the 180 degree turns).
But obviously, they are different puzzles.

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I was playing with my Hanayama Cast Spiral Puzzle and though it would be interested if these puzzles were made in metal. It seems like it would be interesting, but most likely costly.

But then I thought about it a little more in depth. Now all of this is assumptions, as I have used neither method to make anything of the sort.


With Cast Metal, you would need a mold, which would probably cost a bit, but would be reusable (To an extent. It would wear with time). But you would also need 11 unique molds, which would make the cost pretty high. The raw materials might cost a bit too, as well as the time spent, since 1 mold = one piece, it would take a bit.

With Plastic, you already have the files, so no need for molds, but the raw materials are supposed to be very pricey, as well as the time on the machine, where you are also restricted to 1 piece at a time (I'd assume)



If I knew more about the costs, methods, and the time it takes, I could provide more information. I just thought it would be a cool thought with these puzzles.

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