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 Post subject: Higher order twisty puzzles
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:02 am 
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I know that the following puzzles have been made into higher order ones:
The cube,
Pyraminx,
Pyramorphix,
Magic Octahedron,
Megaminx,
Skewb.

I was wondering if anyone tried to have a go at master Halpern-Meier Pyramid?
Are there any other higher order puzzles that I've missed or being created?
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wow, thinking of that is pretty complex, no?

wouldn't it also be the next higher level pyraminx? like a professor pyraminx?

How would it look?


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Dino Cube, which is made by Okamoto.


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Hi Vadim,I think there is a patent for a higher order rainbow cube,but you would have to check the Joshua Bell patent link on the home page,Harry.


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although this was at first supposed to be a secret, and i know it has actually been made before in prototype format, i am currently working on and soon finishing a 4x4x4 trajber's octahedron. It will be done in hopefully a few weeks. :D


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I really find the higher order puzzles interesting, both mechanically and in solving the puzzle. One of my next projects (later this year) will be a higher order puzzle of some kind.

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Vadim wrote:
Are there any other higher order puzzles that I've missed or being created?

I would also be interested to know which puzzles have been made into a bandaged version, and if any higher order versions of those have been made.

For example, I would like to see:
Bandaged 4x4/5x5 (in the style of the bandaged 3x3)
Bandaged Megaminx
Bandaged Skewb
etc.

Has anyone else thought about this?


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I don't think it's possible to have a bandaged skewb. While the cube has 6 slices to bandage, the skewb only has 4, so it would be almost trivial. If not, I don't think it would be worth it.


Anyways, Vadim, are we going to see a higher order keyboard cube any time soon?

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xcool wrote:
Anyways, Vadim, are we going to see a higher order keyboard cube any time soon?


If they add more letters into the alphabet and make bigger keyboard, then yes! :D

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Vadim wrote:
xcool wrote:
Anyways, Vadim, are we going to see a higher order keyboard cube any time soon?


If they add more letters into the alphabet and make bigger keyboard, then yes! :D

Vadim

You can use different colors. I think that would look cool!


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On a 5x5x5 keyboard cube, we could make one side with the latin alphabet, one side with the greek alphabet,
and then we could add other characters like chinese or arabic LOL
(or even different font styles!)

But the thing is, we will probably need either a small keyboard, or a huge cube LOL


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Hi Vadim,as for a higher order keyboard cube try an alphabet with more characters for example Cyrillic,Korean(alphabet),Japanese(alphabet not Pictograph) or if you are really adventurous Ancient Egyptian,in which all characters had an alphabetical value as well as a heiroglyphic value,Harry.


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kastellorizo wrote:
On a 5x5x5 keyboard cube, we could make one side with the latin alphabet, one side with the greek alphabet,
and then we could add other characters like chinese or arabic LOL
(or even different font styles!)

But the thing is, we will probably need either a small keyboard, or a huge cube LOL


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i think matching up the same letters from differents languages would be cool. It would also teach your different languages the easy way!

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I would really like to see a higher order Bump Cube. If you add to 5 of the sides (2mm, 4mm, 6mm, 8mm, 10mm) you get a cube that is 70mm on a side.

The most dificult higher order puzzle that I can think of is some kind of higher order Golden Cube. That would be total insanity!

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2 questions. Whats a bump cvube and whats a golden cube?

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gamemeister27 wrote:
2 questions. Whats a bump cvube and whats a golden cube?


Seriously, use the Search function!


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i keep forgetting that one exists. sorry. i started using it though
EDIT: didnt find anything w/ it. The search is too broad

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Check the box that requires all search terms. Better yet, look in the puzzle database, handily located at twistypuzzles.com.

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xcool wrote:
I don't think it's possible to have a bandaged skewb. While the cube has 6 slices to bandage, the skewb only has 4, so it would be almost trivial. If not, I don't think it would be worth it.


I disagree. *no offense*
It is possible to have bandaged Skewb. Take Tony's Siamese Skewb for example:
http://twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pid=468
which is in fact nothing else than 2 bandaged Skewbs in one puzzle.

There are 29 different possibilities to bandage a Skewb. Of course, at least 10 of them are trivial, but at least the attached variant isn't.
Maybe it isn't THAT hard. But the unbandaged Skewb isn't either.


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gamemeister27 wrote:
i keep forgetting that one exists. sorry. i started using it though
EDIT: didnt find anything w/ it. The search is too broad



It depends how you search. Do not use the word "cube" as it is the most popular word around here LOL
And if you really want, you may indeed use it, but you must combine it with the searching function word "AND".

For example, in your case, you should enter in the search field the expression "golden AND cube". All those are clearly stated beside the searching field. And if you do this, none of your searches will be broad.



By using the word "bump", I found very fast those two links:
viewtopic.php?t=5859&highlight=bump
viewtopic.php?t=5187&highlight=bump


And by using the word "golden" I found very fast this link:
viewtopic.php?t=3981&highlight=golden


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Andreas Nortmann wrote:
xcool wrote:
I don't think it's possible to have a bandaged skewb. While the cube has 6 slices to bandage, the skewb only has 4, so it would be almost trivial. If not, I don't think it would be worth it.


I disagree. *no offense*
It is possible to have bandaged Skewb. Take Tony's Siamese Skewb for example:
http://twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pid=468
which is in fact nothing else than 2 bandaged Skewbs in one puzzle.

There are 29 different possibilities to bandage a Skewb. Of course, at least 10 of them are trivial, but at least the attached variant isn't.
Maybe it isn't THAT hard. But the unbandaged Skewb isn't either.
No offense taken. That's the point of this forum, discussion and expression of opinions (about puzzle related topics). :D

And I see what you're saying now, and I suppose we had separate definitions of bandaged.

While you consider just one pair/set of pieces together a bandaged cube (similar to siamese puzzles), which technically it is, I was thinking of having multiple pairs of pieces fused, like a 'normal' bandage cube.

http://twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pid=613

But I completely agree that it can be taken in that sense.

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Andreas Nortmann wrote:
Maybe it isn't THAT hard. But the unbandaged Skewb isn't either.

I would argue that.

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Pembo wrote:
Andreas Nortmann wrote:
Maybe it isn't THAT hard. But the unbandaged Skewb isn't either.

I would argue that.
Only with your method. I'd gladly help you with a method if you would like...

I might make a video actually and put it on youtube. If I can get the nice video camera hooked up to my new laptop that is.

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That would be great! :)

Just to go back to the original question, Magics haven't been mentioned, unless I missed a post.

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Pembo wrote:
That would be great! :)

Just to go back to the original question, Magics haven't been mentioned, unless I missed a post.



If you mean bandaged magics, various forms have been mentioned in those posts:

viewtopic.php?p=36434&highlight=bandaged#36434
viewtopic.php?p=39545&highlight=bandaged#39545
viewtopic.php?p=39969&highlight=bandaged#39969
viewtopic.php?p=47634&highlight=bandaged#47634
viewtopic.php?p=45798&highlight=bandaged#45798

Or, if you mean higher order magics with respect to the number of sides, check the first link for more!




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Andreas Nortmann wrote:
xcool wrote:
I don't think it's possible to have a bandaged skewb. While the cube has 6 slices to bandage, the skewb only has 4, so it would be almost trivial. If not, I don't think it would be worth it.


I disagree. *no offense*
It is possible to have bandaged Skewb. Take Tony's Siamese Skewb for example:
http://twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pid=468
which is in fact nothing else than 2 bandaged Skewbs in one puzzle.

There are 29 different possibilities to bandage a Skewb. Of course, at least 10 of them are trivial, but at least the attached variant isn't.
Maybe it isn't THAT hard. But the unbandaged Skewb isn't either.


Another puzzles which is related to the skewb is the Pyraminx. Why not a Bandaged Pyraminx?

http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/bandpyra.htm


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I thought the Pyraminx was the predecessor to the Skewb? hence the name the Pyraminx cube?

Unless I got it wrong?

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You got it right, the Pyraminx goes way back.

The Pryaminx and Skewbs are all based on the same movement scheme: 4 slices, each of which rotates through 3 positions. I can't describe the geometry very well, but I learned to exploit the similarities.

If you disregard the freely rotating corners on the Pyraminx then all the puzzles have the same basic movement scheme, and all have 6 mobile pieces of the same type: 6 edges on the Pyraminx/Tetraminx, 6 faces on the Skewb Cube, 6 corners on the Skewb Diamond, and 6 four-sided pieces on the Skewb Ultimate.

The Pyraminx and Tetraminx have 4 fixed corners attached to the cental spider. The Skewbs add a second group of 4 "floating" corners, but they behave similarly to the first group.


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Darren Grewe wrote:
Another puzzles which is related to the skewb is the Pyraminx. Why not a Bandaged Pyraminx?


Been there, done that. *at least kind of*
There are only 13 variants of bandaged Pyraminxes and only 7 of them are non trivial. In my opinion, the "classical" Bandaged Pyraminx (the one featured an Jaap's site) is the most interesting one.
Sorry. No example.


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xcool wrote:
I was thinking of having multiple pairs of pieces fused, like a 'normal' bandage cube.
http://twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pid=613


You mean something like the attached one?
BTW: It looks complicated but it isn't.


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