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 Post subject: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 5:54 am

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On Dcember 14th 2013 rline has made public the first solve of the Geranium puzzle!
Many have congratulated him and I want to start a list of solvers (as for Eitan's Star)
1. rline, 2. Andrea (December 27th), 3. Taus (January 16th, 2014)
In this post on page 2 rline posted about his tutorial.

I have bought the geranium puzzle and scrambled it and I have no clue how to solve it. Has anyone solved it and could give some hints?Â Â I saw that a lot of people rated the Eithan's star the hardest twisty puzzle but having been solved by many people now and with a tutorial up I am not sure anymore. Thanks!!!

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:16 am

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The Geranium is quite different. I took a look at it a while ago and developed some ideas, but I'm a long way from having a comprehensive solution. I couldn't even settle on a satisfactory notation. I do plan to spend some quality time with it over the upcoming holidays. If anyone wants to talk about notation, now would be a good time.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:40 am

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Hi Elias, Pete,

I'm unsure to order it. perhaps this is an incredible hard puzzle.
Is it possible to disassemble it to explore sequences ?
Is there a simulator ? Perhaps it's difficult to program it, because the distances of pieces are unknown.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:46 am

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Andrea wrote:
Is there a simulator ? Perhaps it's difficult to program it, because the distances of pieces are unknown.

Mine is sitting by me desk taunting me. I want to program it to explore the number of states and hopefully even 'god's algorithm' for it. Unfortunately I can't think of an elegant way to handle it. I really want to avoid sin() / cos() and floating point altogether. I was thinking symbolic (not numeric) matrix multiplication to do the rotations might be the way to go but it still seems like a total mess to program.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:06 am

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Hi Brandon and all other,

ok, floating numbers cause errors.

There are 5 circles. The inner piece is mirrored to the outer circumference. The pentagon is a indicator for it.
But there are more than one possibilities. It's an equation.
The distance determine the turning possibilities. I can program it if I know the distance in relation to diameter.
Perhaps the angles are irrational. On possibilities is to do a binary search to turn one circle until an other circle becomes turnable. Omg. many work.

Notation:
One possibilty is to number each circle with numbers or letters.
Because the angles are unknown you can say:
Turn until next other circles are turnable. Similar to Rainbow Nautilis.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:47 am

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Andrea wrote:
Notation:
One possibilty is to number each circle with numbers or letters.
Because the angles are unknown you can say:
Turn until next other circles are turnable. Similar to Rainbow Nautilis.
This is exactly the notation I'm using. Starting at the top and moving clockwise the circles are A B C D E.
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To specify a clockwise turn of the A circle to the first turnable D position: Ad (the little letters reduce the confusion when they are written in a line). To specify a counterclockwise turn of A to the first turnable D position: A'd. If I had to specify the second D position: Ad2.

With this notation I can make an algorithm to cycle four spear-shaped pieces around:

To reverse the above, I can apply the inverse:

Here is where the Geranium is weird: if I just apply that second algorithm to the solved puzzle, it doesn't cycle the same pieces as it does when I apply the first algorithm first. This actually makes sense (the geometry of the cuts is changed by the first algorithm), but it makes the puzzle challenging to figure out.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:00 am

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Andrea wrote:
Is it possible to disassemble it to explore sequences ?
It is easy to disassemble with a very small (#0, I believe) hex drive screwdriver.

The issue of making a simulator is that the geometry of the cuts changes whenever circles interact. This has many implications, including the fact that while a given sequence of algorithms is reversible, the standard way of making commutators may not work because any change within the sequence may make it impossible to reverse. Reminds me a bit of the (Corner) Pocket Cube.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:15 am

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Hi Pete,
I think about a new ordering of puzzles. The geranium and a version of pocket cube. Which pocket cube do you own , the red/gold or the 4 color - version ?
I tried to find sequences with the cube-twist version, with no succes.

Cheers,
Andrea

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:31 am

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Andrea wrote:
Hi Pete,
I think about a new ordering of puzzles. The geranium and a version of pocket cube. Which pocket cube do you own , the red/gold or the 4 color - version ?
I tried to find sequences with the cube-twist version, with no succes.

Cheers,
Andrea
I have the 4 colour Pocket Cube. The person who found the sequences I am using used a computer program.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:38 pm

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Hi Pete,
I ordered both

For the pocket cube I found a little sequence. I will post it in the right thread. I hope I find the correct thread.

Cheers,
Andrea

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:42 am

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Hey sorry to bump this, but are we still working on the solution? It's just that my Geranium has been sitting in my collection, taunting me too. I must admit I'm no good in coming up with solutions, so I wished I could contribute in some way. Can't wait to solve this very amazing puzzle.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:06 am

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David Chua wrote:
Hey sorry to bump this, but are we still working on the solution? It's just that my Geranium has been sitting in my collection, taunting me too. I must admit I'm no good in coming up with solutions, so I wished I could contribute in some way. Can't wait to solve this very amazing puzzle.
I'm still working on the Geranium and I've made some progress. Specifically, I have the beginning of a functional notation and was able to develop some algorithms. I have insight into why this puzzle is so difficult: the relationship between the circles changes every time a circle is moved. This makes it challenging to create general algorithms. Finally, I have some idea of what a solution will look like. The Geranium is at the top of my unsolved puzzles list. I've already shared a bit in Puzzle Photography on Facebook, and I'll share what I have here when it is a little more settled.

Andrea wrote:
Hi Pete,
I ordered both
Excellent! This thread will catch fire before long!

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:41 pm

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I ordered the larger one.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:14 pm

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That is great! We will have a solution very quickly!

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:17 pm

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Eliasthecollector93 wrote:
That is great! We will have a solution very quickly!

Ha ha! Not so sure about that. I bought it after seeing that it looked like a hard challenge. I'm always intrigued by things like this...

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:34 pm

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Andrea wrote:
I'm unsure to order it. perhaps this is an incredible hard puzzle.

Yes, this is an extremely difficult puzzle.

Andrea wrote:
Is there a simulator ? Perhaps it's difficult to program it, because the distances of pieces are unknown.

I wish there was...it would definitely make things easier.

I have spent a lot of time over the past two days (since it arrived) trying to figure it out. I'm not that far away. It has been incredibly difficult to get my head around. below you can see a picture of where I've got to, along with the solved version. I'm confident I could get to that point from scrambled every time, but I don't know whether it's the best approach. I think there's probably a lot of jumbling going on.

Specifically, what I don't have is a way to cycle the triangles pure or the centers pure. Either of those would help a lot. Now would be a good time for someone to give me some hints

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:37 pm

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rline wrote:
Andrea wrote:
Specifically, what I don't have is a way to cycle the triangles pure or the centers pure. Either of those would help a lot. Now would be a good time for someone to give me some hints
I was working on this a few weeks ago, but got far too busy with work travel before I had a chance to prepare a good summary. I'll get back to it and share what I have.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:20 am

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I'm so close now...
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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:23 am

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Oh this thread wakes to live

I cannot wait until my Geranium arrives.

rline:
I saw your unboxing video. The thickness of the irregular (long) pieces is the same.
Perhaps the two irregular pieces are the key for this puzzle.
Is it ?
Perhaps with this information it should be possible to calculate the angles.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:45 am

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Andrea wrote:
Oh this thread wakes to live

I cannot wait until my Geranium arrives.

rline:
I saw your unboxing video. The thickness of the irregular (long) pieces is the same.
Perhaps the two irregular pieces are the key for this puzzle.
Is it ?
Perhaps with this information it should be possible to calculate the angles.

Hi Andrea

I was wondering when you'd join in. I have spent literally hours (and hours and hours) on this puzzle. I noticed in the circle puzzle manual that the author wrote "Is there an algorithm for solving a complicated random circle puzzle? Such a puzzle may contain symmetrical subpuzzles. The solution algorithm would require a fairly complete knowledge of the mixing and locking process and might require a method of searching by making trial rotations. " and also "The method of solving a deepcut puzzle would, in general, require a computer. "

I read this after I got to the state in the picture above. If I'd read it earlier I may well have given up. Even if I can't solve it from here, I will still feel pretty proud of myself for getting this far. It's a beast of a puzzle!

So far, I've come up with the following (which I'm happy to be corrected on if it's wrong)

These bits cannot leave their circles.
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These bits can leave their circles but only just. They are easily put into position.
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These bits cannot detach from their adjacent piece.
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I have found a fairly simple way to cycle these bits, if we don't care about the regular pentagons with them.
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I have found a fairly simple way to cycle these bits.
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What I don't have is a way to either triangles on their own, or regular pentagons on their own. This is what's stopping me from solving it. I'm starting to wonder whether it's even possible to cycle these bits on their own.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:19 am

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Hi rline,

with irregular pieces I meant the black marked pieces in your first and second picture.
I saw in your video that one of this piece can replace the other. Then other circles are turnable.
I'm not able to program this. There is only one configuration of distances that makes it possible that the thickness of this two pieces is equal. Is very difficult to solve this geometric equation.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:24 am

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So I'm not able to program it. Perhaps other people can do it.
sorry.

That's fine. I don't know if this helps, but in the other thread, Allagem said this:
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Adjacent faces interact when any face is rotated 108 degrees clockwise or counterclockwise. That's 108 degrees exactly, by the way. The "deeper" interaction is between faces that are not adjacent. This is extremely similar to the shallowest type of jumbling on fact turning icosahedra, except this puzzle is flat. Interactions occur at 36 degrees, 108 degrees, and 144 degrees again both clockwise and counter clockwise from the starting position. Again all exact integers. Now this is a bit odd because that means the potential stopping angles for every face occur at 0, 36, 108, 144, 216, 252, and 324 degrees clockwise from the starting position. Funnily enough these are all mutiples of 36 degrees

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:29 am

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Andrea wrote:
Hi Brandon and all other,

ok, floating numbers cause errors.

There are 5 circles. The inner piece is mirrored to the outer circumference. The pentagon is a indicator for it.
But there are more than one possibilities. It's an equation.
The distance determine the turning possibilities. I can program it if I know the distance in relation to diameter.
Perhaps the angles are irrational. On possibilities is to do a binary search to turn one circle until an other circle becomes turnable. Omg. many work.

Notation:
One possibilty is to number each circle with numbers or letters.
Because the angles are unknown you can say:
Turn until next other circles are turnable. Similar to Rainbow Nautilis.

Hi Andrea, I would like to share that the distance of consecutive circles (or the edge length of the pentagon formed by five circle centers) to the diameter of all circles is 3/7. The configuration basically contains no hidden parameter other than a diameter value. Hope this helps. ^^

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:33 am

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Leslie Le wrote:
Hi Andrea, I would like to share...

Hi Leslie,
I would like to share that you've created quite the challenge! Have you been able to solve it yourself?

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:41 am

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rline wrote:
Leslie Le wrote:
Hi Andrea, I would like to share...

Hi Leslie,
I would like to share that you've created quite the challenge! Have you been able to solve it yourself?

Thank you very much that you are enjoying from cracking it. To be honest I can only solve the easy part of it without the assistance of a computer.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:21 am

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Hi Leslie
Leslie Le wrote:
Hi Andrea, I would like to share that the distance of consecutive circles (or the edge length of the pentagon formed by five circle centers) to the diameter of all circles is 3/7. The configuration basically contains no hidden parameter other than a diameter value. Hope this helps. ^^

Thank you for the answer. I didn't understand which circles are meant.

My first Question is (was):

Are these distances equal ?

I marked it with a line.

Cheers,
Andrea

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:54 am

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A while ago I sent a pm to Otischeng asking if he had solved the geranium and he told me that a friend of his solved it, using a 40 move 3-cycle of little pieces, I supposed he was referring to the little triangles. Maybe that friend could help us!

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:28 am

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I'm glad there are people working on a solution! - and that they are finding it difficult Mine has been a scrambled mess since about 1 day after I got it!!

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:37 pm

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Eliasthecollector93 wrote:
A while ago I sent a pm to Otischeng asking if he had solved the geranium and he told me that a friend of his solved it, using a 40 move 3-cycle of little pieces, I supposed he was referring to the little triangles. Maybe that friend could help us!

40 moves????? Holy cow...

If I end up having to use a 40 move 3-cycle to cycle the triangles I will feel cheated. There must be a simpler way than that...

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:07 am

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rline wrote:
If I end up having to use a 40 move 3-cycle to cycle the triangles I will feel cheated. There must be a simpler way than that...

Guess what I found? Spot the difference in the pics below...
[Hint: it's only 32 moves ]
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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:20 am

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You cycled some pieces?

EDIT: YOU CYCLED SOME PIECES! Good job!

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:55 am

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rline you cycled three pieces (yellow; light blue and green)!! you are so close now! well 32 moves it's a lot but It's way better that 40! keep going!

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:12 am

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Eliasthecollector93 wrote:
rline you cycled three pieces (yellow; light blue and green)!! you are so close now! well 32 moves it's a lot but It's way better that 40! keep going!

I'm impressed you found a 3 cycle! But not because I want to solve the puzzle (so far none of you are really enticing me into it!!) but because I'm interested to find out what you did to find it! How did you approach the task?

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:24 am

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Eliasthecollector93 wrote:
rline you cycled three pieces (yellow; light blue and green)!! you are so close now! well 32 moves it's a lot but It's way better that 40! keep going!

I'm impressed you found a 3 cycle! But not because I want to solve the puzzle (so far none of you are really enticing me into it!!) but because I'm interested to find out what you did to find it! How did you approach the task?

NOT with a computer! I want to be very clear about that. This was hours of thinking, staring at the puzzle, trying to mentally follow through sequences in my head, then "seeing" something that might work, trying it, and just about fainting from shock when it worked.

At present I have only 8 triangles to go. I'm "stuck". In order to carry out my cycles I need those triangles in specific positions, but due to the nature of the puzzle I'm finding it impossible to get them there and retain the ability to turn all circles (that's been the key to my progress).

And there's a 2nd problem. In the pics above you can see a green triangle under a yellow piece (lower left), and a purple triangle under a green piece (lower right). Those are "trapped". I know there must be a way of getting them out since I got them in. But nothing I'm trying is working. I'm open to any from anyone on any of this.

The good news is that I'm fairly sure that once I get those triangles cycled home I should be able to concoct some kind of tutorial on it.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:26 am

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I'm kicking myself for misplacing my notes, but from memory there are at least two triangles, pentagons and quadrilaterals in each colour that can be exchanged (one can't). I was thinking that this could lead to some parity issues.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:43 pm

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There is a very very fine line between pleasure and pain
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To get the previous 2 triangles, I had to do a 16 move setup, then the 32 move cycle, and then undo the 16 move setup. 64 moves to move 3 pieces around?!

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:12 am

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Come on! One 3-cycle more and you will do history! Can't wait!

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:00 am

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Eliasthecollector93 wrote:
Come on! One 3-cycle more and you will do history! Can't wait!

Well this is what's frustrating. This last 3-cycle (and I was happy to see it's a 3-cycle...) is not normal. It involves two pieces which are the trapped pieces. I'm having real trouble figuring out how to untrap them. I might even need to destroy the work I've done to do it. Believe me, if I solve this thing, no-one will come close to the levels of happiness I will achieve!

Seriously, if anyone has some thoughts on what I can do to untrap them nicely, let me know.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:02 am

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Been lurking here a while now, sorry if I have nothing to give, but I'm very impressed. I'm sure those screws look very tempting now

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:00 pm

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Gus wrote:
Been lurking here a while now, sorry if I have nothing to give, but I'm very impressed. I'm sure those screws look very tempting now

Thanks Gus. You're right, those screws have been calling, but I've resisted temptation so far. To come so close and not finish the job? Doesn't seem right.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:15 am

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Am I right in saying that there are two solutions for this puzzle? The normal one then the mirror image of it or am I wrong on that?

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:34 am

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I'm sure you thought of this already rline but can you 3-cycle any pieces of the same color to see what happens next?

This situation could be potentially like getting parity on the Square-1 or 4x4 where you find out near the very end that you did something wrong in the very beginning, and have to redo the majority of the puzzle.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:41 am

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I'm sure you thought of this already rline but can you 3-cycle any pieces of the same color to see what happens next?

This situation could be potentially like getting parity on the Square-1 or 4x4 where you find out near the very end that you did something wrong in the very beginning, and have to redo the majority of the puzzle.

Yes, I thought of that. My mind's been working overtime trying everything to get those pieces out. In the end, I've decided what you say above, that I have to fix those problems first. I know it's probably not a "parity", but I now think of it as a parity-type problem that you can see straight away. Quite early on, I need to sort those pieces out. It's proving difficult, but I'm 100% confident that once I get them "fixed" I will produce a solved puzzle.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:48 am

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I'm curious to know how many moves your 3-cycle was? Your integrity in finding the simplest solution usually wins out! I mentioned before I have a 120 move corner flip for the FTO before I collapsed back to your method

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:50 am

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TheCubingKyle wrote:
I'm curious to know how many moves your 3-cycle was? Your integrity in finding the simplest solution usually wins out! I mentioned before I have a 120 move corner flip for the FTO before I collapsed back to your method

32.

It's all EPS (!). And a commutator. Really very easy to understand how it works once you see it. Hopefully all will be revealed before my life is completely consumed by this thing...

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:57 am

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Interesting! We'll be keeping our fingers crossed for now.

How do you feel about the pocket geranium? It seems to have less symmetry and more restriction of movement, but that potentially also means more restriction of scrambling.

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:02 am

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TheCubingKyle wrote:
How do you feel about the pocket geranium? It seems to have less symmetry and more restriction of movement, but that potentially also means more restriction of scrambling.

Haven't had a good look at it. I thought of getting it but decided this (being the harder one) will be enough!

Also, I'm disappointed to have to report that the stickers are not wearing well. One ha come off. Others are looking worse for wear. I hope they don't keep deteriorating...

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:00 am

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I feel a bit silly making these almost daily posts. All I can say is that this thing is so mind-bending that I need to tell someone else. Yesterday night I nearly swore (yes, that's unusual for me), and was about to throw the geranium as hard as I could at the nearest wall. I went to bed honestly believing I'd never get it solved.

Well, today is a new day, and I'm ecstatic to report that I finally figured out a method (a reproducible method) to replace those trapped triangles with the correct colours. This was the big issue preventing a solve. It's not straightforward but it's followable. And that means I'm much more confident about solving it now. Anyway, I know this is not my personal thread, but since I'm the only one trying to solve it at the moment, thanks for following along!

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:03 am

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rline wrote:
I feel a bit silly making these almost daily posts.
Congrats on the solve and keep posting

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 Post subject: Re: How to solve the Geranium puzzle?Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:04 am

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rline wrote:
It's not straightforward but it's followable.

May we have a hint? And do you plan on making a video or text tutorial within the month?

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