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 Post subject: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:12 am 
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Hi!

I received an offer for this puzzle:
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The seller say it is:
"1982 Politechnika DIY cube with the name "Working Puzzler" made for the German market"

Do someone know anything about it?
I never heard of it.
It is a bit high in price for me, so I do not want to buy a cheep copy or something.

Also the seller has few more from it, not just this one, and will give me discount if I buy more, so if someone interested, I gladly buy and post it to him.

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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:27 am 
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I have received some additional informations, and photos:

Extra infos by the seller:
"The puzzle was manufactured at Győr (Hungary) and has the same stickers as other Politechnika cubes exported by TRIÁL. Also has the same printed golden seal stickers as other Politechnika products (like Bábel tower, and Cylinder boxed 3x3x3 cube)"

My thoughts:
- I'm not sure about the arched center. (I thought that they where flat at early models)
- Also not sure about the stickers. ( I have seen many early cubes, and many sticker sheets, but it looks a bit different. but it is maybe just because of the bad quality photos)
- Why no logos?
- No sign of company logo (not on box, not on leaflet... Why Politechnika???)
- It looks to me an early KO cube made in Hungary. (But I'm not sure about it.)

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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:51 am 
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An item called "Working Puzzler" for the german market?
As far as I know all puzzles marketed in germany during the cube craze had german names: "Zauberwürfel", "Zauberturm", "Teufelstonne", usw.
There is no year written on it anywhere?


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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:22 am 
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Andreas:
on the leaflet it say: Zauberpuzzle

As soon as I will have mine, I'll post you new better images.
Till then I only know what the seller say about the item.

But one thing I now for sure: I newer seen such an item. and it is not just me, I do not know anyone who has seen these puzzles before.
It is strange.

I thought Georges Helm will tell me more about it, but I only received this message from him:
"I had a look at the picture you posted.
This was the first time in my life I heard from such a puzzle."

Still, I'm waiting more collectors who want one from it. Because if I buy more maybe the price gets much more reasonable.
(The seller ask 10.000.- HUF / pcs now ~33 Euro, what is not a really high price for such an item, but maybe I can get them much cheaper. who knows.)

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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:32 pm 
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I have my cube with me.
If I'll have time, (and better lights) I'll take some photos.

Some thoughts about the cube:
I'm almost 100% sure it is authentic old cube. The pieces are the same as the old Politechnika cube pieces.
Probably this is the very first DIY cube ever.
There is no sign of the producer on the box, or on the leaflet, what is really strange.

My guessing:
If I need to guess this was just a test seres what they wanted to sell abroad, but they could not. (It was not easy to get permissions to sell anything to the "West" at the early 80' in Hungary!) I think they made only a few of them, what went into a storage, and been forgot.
Facts:
After the company was bankrupt, this storage was sold out. (This is where those lots of Bábel towers came from, as well as some of the Dino stars). My seller bought a few box of puzzles. One (or more) was include this puzzle. He put it a side for later selling, and only pick it up now to sell.

Thats the story I know (or I think I know) about this cube.
Maybe in time we will have more informations. Who knows?

I just wonder who else could buy some box from that storage, and what else those can contain???

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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:47 pm 
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I really want to believe this is genuine, but why no Politechnika/Politoys name on the box? I mean they put their name on all the blue box cubes and leaflets.

The word 'Puzzler' just sums up KO. It was used a lot during the early 80's copies.

I'm not sure about that core either, looks different. Are the orange stickers kind of thick and bright?

If it's genuine, I'm very interested. Also interested in what else might be available from that storage lot.

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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:22 pm 
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aleutien wrote:
The word 'Puzzler' just sums up KO. It was used a lot during the early 80's copies.

Yes, That's what makes me confused a bit. The Name "Rubik's cube" existed at that time as well as "Bűvös kocka" or "Zauber Würfel". Why they use this "Working Puzzler"???

aleutien wrote:
I'm not sure about that core either, looks different.

I've just pick apart some of my politechnika cubes. Some has Black plastic core, but some hast this same Ivory white core.
Also I have cubes with 3 different type corner piece. (the small inner part is full, or with a small round hole, and with larger sharp edge hole) This cube has the second version. Exactly the same.

aleutien wrote:
Are the orange stickers kind of thick and bright?

They are the same orange!

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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:20 pm 
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Yes, I noticed the small round hole in the corner piece too. The cores on my Politechnika cubes are black but if this DIY version was dated around 1982 then the cores would be white or even clear. The bright stickers certainly suggest they are genuine as I have never seen those used on any KO cubes.

I wonder if the components were purchased when Politechnika /Politoys dissolved and we're packaged as an early DIY by another company - hence no brand shown anywhere.

Just speculating of course!

Would love to see more pictures.

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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:23 pm 
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I recieved my puzzle yesterday. Thank you Oliver.

I agree with you. It looks very old and may be original.

I am happy to own one of it.


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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:36 am 
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There were cubes exported to Western Europe bearing no sign at all to identify them as Politechnika or Politoys.
This was the case for the Pentangle sold cubes f.i.
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I got these informations years ago from James Dalgety, founder of Pentangle Puzzles.

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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:44 am 
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Do the edge pieces have holes/caps?

Are there moulding lines visible along the centre of the edges?

These were both characteristics of Politechnika production.


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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:26 am 
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aleutien wrote:
Do the edge pieces have holes/caps?

Are there moulding lines visible along the centre of the edges?

These were both characteristics of Politechnika production.

You are mistaken!
The mould marks are only the characteristic of the first series of Politechnika cubes (~'76).
(If you will came to DCD, I'll show you a cube like this.)

The versions after it has no mouldmarks! Even if they are made under the name of Politechnika.
And I assume this cube is made years after the first series. As we spoked about it; it is even not sure it is Politechnika or Politoys... (or other???)

As you can see from the images, it has corner caps. (They are separate, among with the center caps)

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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
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Olivér Nagy wrote:
You are mistaken!
The mould marks are only the characteristic of the first series of Politechnika cubes (~'76).
(If you will came to DCD, I'll show you a cube like this.)


Well, that is partially correct but those same moulds were also used on later production dating into 1981/2. I suspect the moulds were sent to Hong Kong to keep up with production demands.

Olivér Nagy wrote:
As you can see from the images, it has corner caps. (They are separate, among with the center caps)


I was referring to the edges where those moulds left a side of the edge open which was covered by a cap on the early Politechnika production, but later left open.

My comments were really just open questions in trying to establish some clues to the background to your find.


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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:39 am 
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sorry,
I did not want to be rude.

I've never met a Politoys cube what has mould mark, just the first series of Politechnika, what has hand cut stickers.
Do you have some images from this later production cube with mould marks?

The edge pieces has no caps as well (as you can see from the pictures).

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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:04 am 
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No, your comments were not rude. I'm just as excited as you about this new find and would love to know who made it, when and where etc. I was just throwing some quick questions out to see if there were any obvious clues.

The edge pieces from the original moulds had holes to the side which I could not see clearly from the picture.

I don't have a picture of my own 1981/2 cubes from those original moulds that produced that 'raised strike' on the edge pieces, but I have borrowed this image from Ton's collection which shows it fairly clearly:

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 Post subject: Re: German Poliechnika "working puzzler"?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:21 pm 
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I've promised some new photos.
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I hope you all forgive me, that I did not opened this sealed box...

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