MF8 & Eitan's Star - Update

pirsquared · **Posted:** Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:38 pm

Hello Twisty Puzzlers!

A quick update on Eitan's Star. Martin sent me a sample puzzle, which I think is the final design. I think the plastic is better quality than the first prototype I received sometime last April. If you recall, the corner caps on the first prototype cracked very easily. I haven't found any cracks on this puzzle yet.
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The puzzle arrived in a display case that I can only describe as bizarre. It looks like it is made to hold both dodecahedral and icosahedral puzzles. I don't really understand why they went to all this trouble to display the puzzle, but I'm sure they had their reasons.

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I haven't stickered it yet, but now that I have an awesome sticker cutter, it's only a matter of time.

-Eitan

Pete the Geek · **Posted:** Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:34 pm

I'm really looking forward to this puzzle Eitan and it looks like the release is fast approaching. I'm interested to see how MF8 handles stickers for this 20-sided puzzle. It seems difficult to get 20 sufficiently distinct colours of vinyl, particularly for black puzzles. I'd rather have gold weave and polka dots than five shades of blue! Will there be a cubic version? :mrgreen:

Modern-Day Warrior · **Posted:** Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:58 pm

Glad we finally have an update on this great puzzle! It's been a long wait. I hope it's available soon!

MF8 · **Joined:** Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:56 am

About the display case, when you have three or more, they will become like this:

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pirsquared · **Posted:** Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:33 am

Oh, that's cool. Any news on the release date yet? Can you show us a picture of my logo on a sticker?

-Eitan

DLitwin · **Posted:** Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:36 am

A side benefit of that packaging is that it holds the puzzle well protected in a square package. For puzzles with many delicate pieces this is great!

Dave

P.S Looks great!

Andreas Nortmann · **Posted:** Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:50 am

I desperatley need that slot filler

KozehCubes · **Posted:** Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:18 am

I really like the way that packaging stacks sort of, nice way to show off my puzzles now

pirsquared · **Posted:** Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:52 pm

Don't get me wrong. I love the package! It was just rather unexpected.

-Eitan

Gus · **Posted:** Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:01 pm

Will mf8 be selling the package separately?

otischeng · **Posted:** Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:58 am

The package seems very good. It can hold isocahedron and dodecahedron! Specially designed for these two puzzle~

Pete the Geek · **Posted:** Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:31 am

Hi MF8. I'm really looking forward to this puzzle. Will the production Eitan's Star have 10 colours or 20?

puzzle_weaver · **Joined:** Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:12 pm

And I'm still waiting for the chance to get the Bauhinia Dodecahedron... Happy problems.

MF8 · **Joined:** Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:56 am

Something update. The logo sticker is now printing.

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kami_sama · **Joined:** Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:41 am

Any tip on when will it be available?

pirsquared · **Posted:** Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:12 pm

Oh my god. I can't stop grinning. That is AWESOME. Thanks, MF8!

-Eitan

JasonSmith · **Posted:** Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:54 pm

Holy cow, that looks fantastic! Congrats you guys.

otischeng · **Posted:** Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:42 am

The logo sticker seems very high quality!

polymaker · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:36 pm

I just found that it is available to pre-order on hknowstore! link

rline · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:42 pm

That price is a bit of a shock first thing in the morning...

I was expecting a price something around the recent similar-sized rex dodec or similar.

martywolfman · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:51 pm

Wow. It looks like a wonderful puzzle, but that price is beyond my means unfortunately. :shock:

Pete the Geek · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:58 pm

polymaker wrote:

I just found that it is available to pre-order on hknowstore! link

Thanks Polymaker! I've been looking forward to this puzzle ever since it was announced and due to it's close proximity to the the Radiolarian 3, I already have some notes on solving it... :mrgreen:

rline wrote:

:shock: That price is a bit of a shock first thing in the morning...

I was expecting a price something around the recent similar-sized rex dodec or similar.

Honestly I was expecting it to be a bit more, but I see your point; the Bauhinia is essentially an icosahedron in dodecahedral form. I think the ES has quite a few more moving parts. I also wonder if that price includes the stand?

In any case, my preorder is made :shock:

Looks like they will go out in the second half of February.

rline · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:34 pm

I didn't say anything about what I thought of the puzzle. Beautiful! Wonderful!

Which is why it's disappointing that it's so much - roughly the same as a teraminx.

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the Bauhinia is essentially an icosahedron in dodecahedral form. I think the ES has quite a few more moving parts.

I'm sure there are reasons for the price, but the disappointment is because I've been looking forward to this for so long. I just can't see how I'm going to be able to afford it at the moment.

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I also wonder if that price includes the stand?

Well i hope you're right, and I hope the cost of the stand is around $50 :lol:

pirsquared · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:09 pm

I'm a little surprised by the price as well... I was expecting something more like the Bauhinia Dodecahedron.

I hope the HK Now Store will take some pictures once they get the stock in. They're currently using my photos from throughout this process.

-Eitan

bmenrigh · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:31 pm

Obviously the price isn't ideal but I'm very happy that this puzzle is coming out and I'll still have plenty of consumer surplus left over

rline · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:47 pm

Eitan

Were you ever told even roughly what they were selling it for? I don't know if I'm allowed to ask this, but are they compensating you financially in any way for making them a puzzle to sell?

Konrad · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:55 pm

I have preordered it, too. It will be my second puzzle from Eitan

A long time ago I got the first (almost) unique puzzle. Probably he will not remember this :wink:

5hinigami · **Joined:** Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:46 pm

Well, one cube less to buy

I hope it will go down in price someday like the Teraminx did.

themathkid · **Joined:** Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:42 am

$99?? Ouch. $50 is just about my limit for puzzles and this is nearly twice that! *le sigh*

rline · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:54 pm

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Obviously the price isn't ideal

Yes, well, I think the issue is that this non-ideal price is ultimately going to hurt Eitan because there'll probably be quite a few people who just can't afford it.

mitchblahman · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:41 pm

Yeah that price is definitely out of my range too. I'd love to have it otherwise though, maybe they could sell a much cheaper DIY kit?

mizzle576 · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:14 pm

Eitan,

Congratulations! It has been a long time since I have been floating around the forum. I do have a question for MF8 though. You or another member may be able to give me an answer. Will this puzzle be available with the other recent MF8 puzzles together in a series set? I would rather buy the a complete set of the newly released cubes for a discounted price?

Possible?

Chris

Muffet · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:35 pm

I haven't purchased a puzzle in a long time. I have been waiting for this puzzle. I told myself even if I quit puzzles altogether I would still buy this puzzle. $100 is a lot more than I wanted to pay, but I will buy this puzzle. I will wait to see if they come out with a limited edition color. I'm hoping maybe a red this time.

bmenrigh · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:39 pm

Regarding price... I want MF8 to do whatever it takes to bring us as many mass produced puzzles as possible. They've brought out enough products in the last few years that I think they know what price to change to recover their costs and reinvest in their business.

$100 sucks but I'll pay it if it means MF8 makes enough to encourage them to bring us more puzzles.

doesnotcommute · **Joined:** Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:49 pm

With that kind of price, I would be more inclined to scrounge up a little extra and get the Radio Cube 3. Actually that's probably what I'll do lol but congrats Eitan!

pirsquared · **Posted:** Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:56 am

Konrad wrote:

I have preordered it, too. It will be my second puzzle from Eitan

A long time ago I got the first (almost) unique puzzle. Probably he will not remember this :wink:

Oy, and what a disaster that was. I was so embarrassed! You'll be glad to know that since your Total Master Cube arrived in pieces, I've been shipping in boxes full of packing peanuts and bubble wrap.

Rline: I didn't have any sense of what the price would be until today.

Thanks everyone!

-Eitan

alacoume · **Joined:** Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:12 am **Location:** Paris

The price shocked me too this morning ! :shock:

I was waiting this puzzle for so long : icosahedral puzzle are so rare. I will buy ot for sure, but I don't know when...
And sure, the difference of price with a radio 3 or a master curvy is not so huge. My shapeways purchases should be also postpone to an undertermined day...

stardust4ever · **Posted:** Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:56 am

I've got a quick question about the Eitan's Star. Please excuse my lonstanding absence as I've kind of shifted away from puzzle collecting for a while (I've not discontinued my hobby persay, but severely cut back my collecting due to space and money constraints, and also to focus on other hobbies such as classic video games).

Is this the first 20-axis puzzle to be mass produced? (by "axis" I mean functional rotation axes, which in some modern designs is independent of the number of screws used to hold a puzzle together). I know that mf8 was working on a "rex dodecahedron" which contained curvy-cut rotating corners. Has this ever been produced, or was production scrapped in favor of Eitan's Star? From what Rox (katsmom) told me, she had handled a prototype of the Rex Dodecahedron puzzle, and it was not very stable.

EDIT: Nevermind, answered my own question:
Bauhinia Dodecahedron
http://www.hknowstore.com/locale/en-US/ ... 0a2139d2cd

Needless to say, I'm somewhat on the fence about getting this one. I have very much wanted a face-turning Icosahedral puzzle for a long time. This would complete my desire to have the entire set of platonic solids. Cube, Tetrahedron (Pyraminx), Dodecahedron (Megaminx), Octahedron (FTO and Skewb Diamond) have existed for quite some time now. If I do get one, I'm somewhat considering doing a ten-color variation, even if it results in parity issues, due to the fact that 20 colors is harder to differentiate. A five color version would also work, but corner differentiation would be a nightmare with 12 unique corners with different arrangements of the same five colors.

Also, the million dollar question: Does it jumble? 8-)

Gus · **Posted:** Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:05 am

I've always suspected that this would be an expensive puzzle, but $99 is a lot. But is is beautiful ... I think that I will wait until people have had this in their hands, I wouldn;t want to pay that much for a paperweight.

stardust4ever wrote:

Also, the million dollar question: Does it jumble? 8-)

The million dollar answer: all face turning icosahedra jumble. Just pm me to send the money to my Ebay account :lol:

kami_sama · **Joined:** Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:41 am

The Bauhinia dodecahedron or rex dodecahedron released about two months ago:
http://www.hknowstore.com/locale/en-US/ ... 0a2139d2cd

Konrad · **Posted:** Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:08 am

stardust4ever wrote:

I've got a quick question about the Eitan's Star. ....

It is the mass-produced DeFTI introduced by Eitan here. And yes, it jumbles.

stardust4ever wrote:

... From what Rox (katsmom) told me, she had handled a prototype of the Rex Dodecahedron puzzle, and it was not very stable.

Please, look for the Bauhinia Dodecahedron = Rex Dodecahedron. Logically it is an FTI.

stardust4ever · **Posted:** Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:12 am

Wow, superfast responses! Thanks peeps...

I went ahead and placed orders for both icosahedral-based puzzles at the hknowstore. Finally, I'll be able to complete my collection of platonic puzzles.

Volitar Prime · **Posted:** Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:30 am

Is it known yet if this will have 10 or 20 color stickers?

szykman · **Joined:** Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:44 pm

Amazing puzzle and amazing news!

The pre-order says that will be available after the "china lunar new year"...

This seems to be close, anyone knows when is this china lunar new year ?

katsmom · **Posted:** Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:51 am

11-13 February

szykman · **Joined:** Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:44 pm

katsmom wrote:

11-13 February

Thank you!

Pete the Geek · **Posted:** Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:22 am

Volitar Prime wrote:

Is it known yet if this will have 10 or 20 color stickers?

I really want to know this too and if they are shipping stickered. The prototypes seem to have 10. The difference in solving challenge between 10-colours and 20-colour is significant, so I very much hope they ship with 20 or that 20-colour sets are available very quickly.

alacoume · **Joined:** Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:12 am **Location:** Paris

Pete the Geek wrote:

I really want to know this too and if they are shipping stickered. The prototypes seem to have 10. The difference in solving challenge between 10-colours and 20-colour is significant, so I very much hope they ship with 20 or that 20-colour sets are available very quickly.

You therefore have to buy two puzzles !! :lol:

KozehCubes · **Posted:** Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:54 am

Im afraid I wont be buying it, the price is absurd...

Volitar Prime · **Posted:** Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:44 pm

I’m waiting to order until they are ready to ship and we find out more about the number of colors. They may do multiple versions (10 color and 20 color) and I want to make sure I purchase the correct one.

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