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 Post subject: Rouleaux 2x4x6
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:48 pm 
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For about a month I have been slaving away attempting to make this puzzle. I am very happy to say that I am finished and it has turned out great. I can safely say that stickering is an art, this puzzle has made me gain a respect for all you professional hand stickerers out there ....it has also made me really want a plotter haha. I am actually going to attempt to get this one mass produced. Wish me luck!


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Looks nice, and thanks for the attention on the stickers. It's worth it. (But yes, a sticker cutter is a great time saver).

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Hunter Palshook wrote:
I am actually going to attempt to get this one mass produced. Wish me luck!

Good luck ! I will buy one for sure, because I love cuboids.


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:00 am 
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Hunter, it looks beautiful! Well done indeed!

I do have a question - the way you have made it makes it look like the 2 face is not fully functional! When you turn it (3rd picture) the 2x4 face should be able to turn just the middle 2 cubies of a 2x6 but due to the pillowing it looks like this doesn't happen. Am I mistaken or is a true 2x4x6 not physically workable?

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Puzzlemad wrote:
Hunter, it looks beautiful! Well done indeed!

I do have a question - the way you have made it makes it look like the 2 face is not fully functional! When you turn it (3rd picture) the 2x4 face should be able to turn just the middle 2 cubies of a 2x6 but due to the pillowing it looks like this doesn't happen. Am I mistaken or is a true 2x4x6 not physically workable?


Correct me if I am not answering your question exactly but even though the pillowed face does reach up like that, it is still functionally the same as a 2x4x6. Is there another picture I could take that would help you out?

Oh brother, these super cuboids are a mess haha


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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you should upload a video showing that it is a super shape shifter!

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Puzzlemad wrote:
Am I mistaken or is a true 2x4x6 not physically workable?
This is not really "true" but almost:
http://twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pkey=3479


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Andreas Nortmann wrote:
Puzzlemad wrote:
Am I mistaken or is a true 2x4x6 not physically workable?
This is not really "true" but almost:
http://twistypuzzles.com/cgi-bin/puzzle.cgi?pkey=3479


Thank you for the clarification. In this instance are we using the word true as like...a proportional puzzle? Or like mechanically true?

On a sidenote, this is incredibly difficult.


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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How the Hell did you do that? :D What was the base puzzle for this? Really impressive work! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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I believe he used a mass produced 4x4x6, you can see the "TomZ" engraved in the first picture.

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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JackRTully wrote:
I believe he used a mass produced 4x4x6, you can see the "TomZ" engraved in the first picture.


A true sleuth indeed! Yes I did use a 4x4x6.


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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My friend had the idea to do this a while back, I giggled when i saw this topic :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Superb. Thats a really good looking puzzle, nice work.

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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HeX wrote:
How the Hell did you do that? :D What was the base puzzle for this? Really impressive work! :)

Thank you so much! You are too kind Rex.
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Superb. Thats a really good looking puzzle, nice work.

:D That means so much coming from you! Thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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That looks incredible! Good luck on Mass Production, I will definitely buy one!


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Hunter Palshook wrote:
In this instance are we using the word true as like...a proportional puzzle?
At least I used "true" as "proportional".


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Andreas Nortmann wrote:
Hunter Palshook wrote:
In this instance are we using the word true as like...a proportional puzzle?
At least I used "true" as "proportional".

Yeah that makes sense. I was just asking for clarity.

I really cannot even get this puzzle to its original shape! Talk about difficulty! I may have to dissassemble and reassemble it solved!


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Hunter Palshook wrote:
I really cannot even get this puzzle to its original shape! Talk about difficulty! I may have to dissassemble and reassemble it solved!

Nooooooo Hunter!!

Don't dismantle it!!!
Watch Jon (aka SuperAntonioVivaldi's tutorials) on the 3x5x7 cuboid.
It will solve the same way - it will be a Floppy cuboid with "brick tendencies" - it will be a fantastic solve. You will love it!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Haha I was only toying with the idea. Of course I will solve it.....eventually. And if there is one person who has helped me grasp certain puzzles, it is Jon. That man, is so great at what he does, and is equally as kind!
I will certainly have to rewatch the video.
Thank you for the words of encouragement :)


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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I suspect It's the extra bandaging from not being proportional that is making it so difficult?

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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I really can't see how there is any bandaging. Wouldn't it reduce to a 2x2 when shapeshifted in any case?

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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martywolfman wrote:
I suspect It's the extra bandaging from not being proportional that is making it so difficult?


I am also confused on how there would be extra bandaging. Could you elaborate?


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Never mind, I was clearly talking nonsense :)

Of course it reduces to 2x2 when shapeshifted :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Trust me, its okay! You just gave me a bit of a scare. How dreadful would it be if I were to find out this is not mechanically a 2x4x6 haha :)


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Very nice and tempting. Are you selling also this one?


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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psi wrote:
Very nice and tempting. Are you selling also this one?


I intend on selling, however I will have to wait a while before I do so, because if I do end up successfully getting it produced (slim chance :( ) I will have to send the producer it.


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Ok, let me know if you succeed (hope so) or give up.
Good luck!


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Hunter wrote:
I intend on selling

:D :D 8-)
I'm waiting patiently!
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Puzzlemad wrote:
Hunter wrote:
I intend on selling

:D :D 8-)
I'm waiting patiently!
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Get in line Kevin :P :twisted:

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Get in line Kevin :P :twisted:

Ah! Now the truth needs to come out! :shock:
I have spoken to Hunter about this puzzle over 2 months ago!! :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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It's okay guys! I can make more than one copy 8-)

Lets just hope I can get it mass produced so you guys can save a lot of money!


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Hmmm. Turn the red (2x4) face 90 degrees. On a fully-functional 2x4x6 I would expect the blue (2x6) face to be able to turn, but it is blocked.

That said, it's a lovely puzzle. Given that it's "just" a shape mod of a 4x4x6, perhaps you should reach out to Calvin, since most of the tooling and pieces would be the same as the 4x4x6?


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Hmmm. Turn the red (2x4) face 90 degrees. On a fully-functional 2x4x6 I would expect the blue (2x6) face to be able to turn, but it is blocked.

That said, it's a lovely puzzle. Given that it's "just" a shape mod of a 4x4x6, perhaps you should reach out to Calvin, since most of the tooling and pieces would be the same as the 4x4x6?

I don't think a standard 2x4x6 works like that. Otherwise you'd end up with gaps where pieces should be.
Awesome puzzle regardless!


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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I suppose we don't demand that of 1x3xN puzzles. The 3x5x7s that have been made are similarly constrained.


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Joshua Bell wrote:
I suppose we don't demand that of 1x3xN puzzles. The 3x5x7s that have been made are similarly constrained.

That is not true! The 3x5x7 from Shapeways courtesy of Puzzle Maestro is truly fully functional:
http://www.shapeways.com/model/515863/3x5x7.html

If you turn the 3x5 face through 90 degrees then the that face will take a slice out of the 5 columns leaving the edges free. You end up with some fantastic pieces sort of hanging in the air! Here's a pic of mine scrambled:

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The 2x4x6 is not fully functional in the same way because of the pillowing - it will still solve in a similar fashion but will not be quite so difficult because certain configurations will not be possible during scrambling.
It will still follow the basic ideas mentioned by SuperAntonioVivaldi - it will basically be a floppy cuboid but will have the brick parities too. See my recent blog post for the summary of these ideas:
http://www.puzzlemad.co.uk/2013/01/first-there-was-cube-and-then.html

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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Hmmm. Turn the red (2x4) face 90 degrees. On a fully-functional 2x4x6 I would expect the blue (2x6) face to be able to turn, but it is blocked.

That said, it's a lovely puzzle. Given that it's "just" a shape mod of a 4x4x6, perhaps you should reach out to Calvin, since most of the tooling and pieces would be the same as the 4x4x6?


No that would never be possible on any cuboid ( at least the ones that exist now). You also could not do that on a 3x3x5 , think about it. The mechanism would prevent it. This 2x4x6 is fully functional. You can also take a 6x6x6 and emulate a fully functional 2x4x6. Think a little bit about it how it would look like if the turn you sugest worked. You would turn the stickerless side of a piece to the top (white face)


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Joshua, what you are saying would only actually be possible on a 1x3x3 "scramble cube".

Those movement types really aren't possible on any conventional cuboid.

Thank you for the compliment though :)


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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Yes, I guess the rule is that a on a traditional cuboid (not counting the scramble cuboids) a slice cannot rotate unless it is fully populated.

Is that true for the 3x5x7 linked above? My visualization powers are a bit rusty. Having pieces hanging out is, of course, possible (witness the absurd 2x2xN variants when scrambled) but one a slice is missing cubies it itself can't rotate.

The analogy on a simpler cuboid would be rotating a 4x6 face on a 4x4x6 by 90 degrees, after which 4x4 faces are blocked. (Argh, I wish my puzzles weren't in storage! I'm feeling rusty.)


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 Post subject: Re: Rouleaux 2x4x6
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very nice puzzle..congrats..!!!
I really like those corner piece..:)
maybe someday I would also try this one too..

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