Size:5.75x5.75x5.75CM

These are second prototype version

Video:http://youtu.be/QrVHbDuEN5I






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Oh that's nice. So it's a bandaged 5x5x5 transformed to look like a 3x3x3. Really great design!

Wasn't this announced on this thread and called the Camouflage Cube and first made here and being sold here?

Can you tell us about the mini 4x4 in front of it? Will this be mass produced?

I advise you can call it "Derail Cube"(“脱轨魔方” in Chinese).

SORRY！Let me think it over

mini 4x4 ，Size:about 4.6CM,is ADD-ONS

Will this be mass produced?
yes ,will be mass produced!

have added some 2x2x4 & SQ2 pictures!

That tiny 4x4 looks really nifty.

I really like the 4x4, I hope it is speed solveable.

Very nice Is there already a releasedate for the Carmouflage and 2x2x4 ? And what about the other New Mixup Designs, when can we aspect them ?

A interesting name.
Hapyy to see you in Tp forum,"E蛋"

Is there already a releasedate for the Carmouflage and 2x2x4 ?
about after 15 days

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what about the other New Mixup Designs
will not mass produced yet ,Sorry!

Thanks for the answer, I realy hope that at least the 4x4x4 30° cube will be mass produced soon

I never really understood the Camoflauge Cube. I know that it is a bandaged and reshaped 4x4, but...
Wow! The 2x2x4 thing (whatever it is ) looks amazing!!!!

-Doug

Add some pictures

3x3x3 Camouflage





3x3x4 Camouflage ,3x3x3 Camouflage
4x4x3 Camouflage ,3x3x2 Camouflage

Are these all mods of that Mini 4x4 you have in the back of those pictures?

-Doug

OK. I'm going to risk sounding pretty stupid here.

I see all these puzzles on this thread and don't really understand them. I appreciate that a picture is great, but unlike new puzzles from someone such as Oliver, there's rarely any explanation of them. Maybe it's only me who doesn't get it.

Can some kind person please explain each of them? What's good about them? What's unique? Why are they called what they're called?

Well the Camouflage Cube is called Camouflage Cube because it is a 4x4x4 cube that is partly bandaged and also extanded. That way it get's the look of a bandaged 5x5x5 cube but when you turn it, it does excentrically. That way it is disguised. Kind of like an evil twin, which looks like a 3x3x3 but is infact two 2x2x2s fused on one corner and than build up. The Camouflage Cube can reach stages of blocked moves too.
There is nothing new to this mechanism wise I guess. It seems like the 4x4x4 mechanism is not a V-Cube type one in any way and build up on a 3x3x3 unlike a Rubik's brand cube. What's new is the concept itself and the fact that they created a mini 4x4x4 to make a small puzzle despite the extensions. Latter fact also made the invention of other Camouflage variants self-evident and convenient.

OK. But how many puzzles are we talking about here? Are these all different?

-camoflauge [4 types?]
-disguise
-2x2x4
-4x4x4 30° cube
-SQ

??? Sorry. Still confused.

Presented in this topic are:

1. 4 or 3 different Bandaged 4x4x4 Cubes (Camouflage cubes) that got extended to look like a 3x3x3, 3x3x4, 3x4x4...

2. the normal 4x4x4 whose mechanism was used to create the Camouflage cubes

3. a 2x2x4 cube with inner layers that move in 30° increments like the outer layers of a square 2 (that was maybe the thing that was confusing for you)
I would rather call this cube a 2x2x4 30° mixup cube than 2x2x4 + SQ2 because it has the 90° turns and not just 180°

A cube that isn't presented in this thread but in another is the 4x4x4 30° mixup cube. You can find it here http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=24034

I hope that helped

Thanks a lot for this 5hinigami, it has helped.

Woah...
So this is not a 4x4 mod... It's a mixup plus mod!
Confusing.

-Doug

This is a 4x4x4 mod, not a mixup plus mod. Look on the corners pieces, they are not same.

Hi,
It's not an extended and bandaged 4x4x4.
It's not an extended bandaged Mixup Plus.
What is it ? More difficult than a 4x4x4 ?

What we mean is that this puzzle could be made by bandaging/extending a 4x4x4 cube as shown here.

I still argure that this IS in a way a 4x4x4 mechanism transformed.
There's a 3x3x3 inside, ok. Than the corners are extended and theres is those sliding pieces added. That's a 4x4x4 cube. The fact that all those corner pieces look different doesn't change that to me.
If you were to glue one of these sliding pieses to a corner piece and extended some of the others and also extended some of the sliding pieces with simple cubies you would end up having this exact cube. The same aplies for any edge piece - square piece and edge piece - corner piece combinations.

I don't want to say that the factory Camouflage cube is made by glueing stuff together but the pieces sure are derived from some 4x4x4 mechanism.

If you insist on the fact that they are not, then let's say there is a way to derive a 4x4x4 mechanism from this concept by cuting away the extensions and seperating some pieces.

Edit:
Oh and by the way, there was no judgement of any kind in that post of mine when I first tried to say this nor is there now. I just saw that.

Isn't it the same core you use for your mini 4x4x4 ?
And no one criticised it by saying it is a bandaged 4x4x4, that's just a way to describe it. I like this puzzle, the only thing I don't like so much are the missing caps on the big edge pieces.

Isn't it the same core you use for your mini 4x4x4 ?
Yes!!

Mini 4x4x4 Video:http://youtu.be/2DTCz5I6asI

I just saw that the mini 4x4 is available, it cost 14$ and it is available in 3 colors: black, white and yellow. http://witeden.com/goods.php?id=464

Looks like I snagged one yesterday before they went out of stock.

My 3x3x3 Camouflage cube arrived today (unboxing here) and on the box it has a spot for 2x3x4 camouflage.

2x3x4? I don't remember seeing anything about that. Is it true?

My 3x3x2, 3x3x3 and 3x3x4 Camouflage cubes also arrived yesterday and I also noticed that! Here's hoping it's true! Although I also hope they wait a few weeks! I have quite a lot of new puzzles to solve first!

Plus of course I have the 3500 puzzles you can make with the bandaged kit cube!

So much fun ahead! I am sooooo addicted to these!

Hi rline and Kevin,

I ordered these 3501 puzzles,too. ( CubeTwist bandaged set and camouflage 3x3x3)
Please tell us, how difficult it is. I'm curious.

Cheers,
Andrea

Sorry Andrea,

I can't really say yet. I have done the bandaged 3 and the 2bar4 from the bandaged kit (required a bit of help for the last part of the bandaged 3!) but then I'm nowhere near as good as you are at these!

I also got the shape shifting 3x3x5 and have done this quite quickly - I seem to be ok at cuboids! I plan to try the 3x3x3 camouflage quite soon and will let you know how it goes. I'm sure that Rline will manage it quite quickly - he's a puzzle solving machine!

All the best,

Kevin

Hi Andrea and others,

I would rate the Camouflage cube as fairly difficult, it had me scratching my head for a while. Probably most will strugle to scramble it at first (like with the Wall4), but for more details I won't comment here, we should start a solving thread for that. [Once you solve the 333, the solutions for the other variants will become more obvious], but that's enough for the hints.

Cheers,
Burgo.

Let's be honest. When Burgo says it's "fairly difficult", it's pretty bad. Having played with it a bit, I'm pretty bamboozled. I wasn't really sure what to expect, but it's clear that this puzzle was worth its money.

OMG!!
If you two are bamboozled or say they're tough then I don't stand a chance!
It will be fun to fiddle and then I'll wait for you to help me!

I got my Camouflage 3x3x3 yesterday. Today, I worked out how to solve it. (given the fact that two little girls are in the house again this was quite an achievement )
You should start by recognizing what it really is.
I'll use "quote" to get a white background for the spoiler:In any case it is a nice puzzle!

Konrad, two little girls in the house is my entire solving experience! I like the added difficulty.

I don't understand why Witeden choose to leave their puzzles `open` though. For such a wonderful little puzzle, these finishing details are sadly lacking.

I'm assuming by "open" you mean the fact that they left out caps?

-Doug

Yes, it's just untidy. I thought they might have added them to the final product.

I received all 3 of the camouflage cubes yesterday and I'm pretty stumped at the moment too. I've only played with the 3x3x2 so far, and I'm finding even that difficult. I can get close with a little trial and error, but always end up in a situtation where two edges need to swap places, and i just can't move them. Very fun puzzles though.



I couldn't agree more, i think this is very disappointing and spoils the puzzle slightly. It makes them look 'cheap and nasty' which is a shame.



Oh no more puzzles I'm going to have to buy

Yeah, I have no idea how you can manage it to dedicate so much time to puzzle solving! They do not disturb me in any sense but they consume a lot of my time. I'm almost constantly reading books to the older one.

And yeah, it would be nicer to have the hollow pieces covered by caps. (Somebody has made a similar remark above.)
It isn't so bad, though.
It is no reason to miss this wonderful little puzzle!

I understand what people are saying here, but I have to say that if it helped them save a few $ on costs, so be it. At $21, this puzzle is absolutely brilliant. The unfilled plastic doesn't affect the working of the puzzle, at least not for me.

On a better note, I've solved my 3x3x3 camouflage! The joy! The relief!

I'm really in quite a bit of awe at people such as Burgo and Konrad (and possibly others who don't post) who can solve these things so quickly. This one took me a fair while of fiddling around. Nothing really made sense until I "saw" how the puzzle worked. This only happened when I pulled it apart. It's such an ingenious design. I know there are pictures further up the thread, but seeing it for yourself is a different matter. It's easy to take apart and easy to put back together. If you're frazzled by it, I'd recommend pulling it apart. I guarantee it'll help.

Not coincidentally, solving this puzzle has now made me understand how to solve the AI 444, which I had trouble with earlier. Also, earlier today I solved the cubic 3x3x6, and what I did in that solve helped immensely in "seeing" how to go about the camouflage. I'll echo Burgo's comment above that it needs to be scrambled properly, otherwise it won't have quite the same challenge.

(I'll also thank Konrad, who elobaroted in a PM his spoiler above. I'll leave it to him to post something on that if he wishes. But it was a really helpful visual aid.)

I'll give a little spoiler of my own. It'll probably be obvious to most, but perhaps it'll help someone.

I think we should not go further in this thread talking about solution hints. As Burgo had suggested above, I have started a solution thread just using the PM rline mentioned.

I'll add some pictures on Monday to this other thread.
I propose using [Spoiler] brackets for the time being.

BTW, does somebody can give me the colour code for hiding a spoiler, if the backgraund is grey?

rline, you'll like to hear that my improved centre 3-cycle for the AI and C4U 336 uses EPS and CPS (and in principle it is the same for the Camouflage 333)

Hi friends,

Konrad: ist the camouflage cube harder than an AI 4x4x4 ?
Perhaps I must wait some weeks until my camouflage 3x3x3 arrives.
I will not read in the solution thread !

rline: thanks for your unboxing video.

I own the c4u 336 , too. It's not compareable with the Ai 4x4x4, I think. The AI 4x4x4 is more difficult. I played many time with the AI. It's always interesting again.

Hmm the c4u 336. A beginner cannot scramble it, because he don't know a sequence to separate the slice pieces. But if he know the sequence he is able to solve it. I solve this puzzle one time. Thats enough for life. There are many other more interesting puzzles.
Perhaps the SQ224 is a very interesting puzzle. In which angle does the two slices turn ? Like a square-1 ?

Cheers,
Andrea

Hi Andrea

I think the camouflage is harder than the AI444 just from the visually confusing factor. It's not immediately obvious what's going on with the camouflage (perhaps that's why it's called camouflage) and for me, the problems were caused by not realising what it was.

I think the C4U336 is easier than the AI444, but I would say it is acually quite similar. In fact, having solved the 336, it gave me a good idea about making the last part of the AI444 solve a lot easier. I haven't tried it yet so I won't elaborate, but I think it'll work. (In fact I haven't managed to solve the AI444 yet; i had to put it away for a while when the bandaged kit arrived. So if this little method does work, then that will be good.)


But we can twist some slices, and then do some corner swaps and then twist again and then maybe do a corner 3-cycle or oeirentation and then twist again. That would scramble it better wouldn't it? And a beginner could do that? I don't think any sequences are needed for the 336, apart from some EPS to twist corners and 2+2 swap.

Hi Andrea,

I replied to your question in the solving thread http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopi ... 44#p290944.

Since I started a specific solving thread, I think it would be better to discuss solving related issues there.