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 Post subject: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:19 pm 
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I find some photo.
I do not know how to make this puzzle: Hand-Made or MassProducts

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:34 pm 
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Looks as mass produced for me.

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:21 pm 
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I normally would say that it is too clean to be a mod.
However, some of the mods coming out recently are mass-production worthy. I would say that now a days, it is hard to tell the difference between a mass produced puzzle and a hand mod, if the modder is skilled enough.

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:05 pm 
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This is clearly mass production though I must admit a couple of the parts look slightly less clear than others.

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:18 pm 
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With those very clean pieces, I would say it's mass produced. I wonder, what company would mass produce this...

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:52 pm 
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Those mold lines look to be from machine injection molding (hand molding lines are not generally so precise and no hand builder would make lines like that).

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:56 am 
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Mass produced. Sure

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:54 am 
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i find new info: this is MassProducts puzzle!
see video: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDU2MDI2NTMy.html

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:22 am 
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Gear puzzles always look so beautiful, I like this variation the most I think! Second to Tony's Gear Rhombic Dodecahedron.

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:59 am 
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Tony Fisher wrote:
This is clearly mass production though I must admit a couple of the parts look slightly less clear than others.

I now believe it is a hand made transformation of a Gear Cube. That would explain why some parts look mass produced.

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:04 am 
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HKNowStore just listed it on their website for pre-order for $26. Must be mass produced!

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:09 am 
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Who is the inventor?

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
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themathkid wrote:
HKNowStore just listed it on their website for pre-order for $26. Must be mass produced!

It seems to have been removed now. A search for Gear Dodecahedron only gives this.

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
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themathkid wrote:
HKNowStore just listed it on their website for pre-order for $26. Must be mass produced!

:? :? :?

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:37 pm 
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It's back up at HKNowStore and Mefferts. There are two version - Gearminx I and II. $18 each. Mefferts newsletter says it was designed by Oskar.

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:15 pm 
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very strange situation ...
1. original video published by [removed]
[link removed]

2. Uwe tells us in NewsLeter:
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We are pleased to bring you the GearMinx designed by the famous Gear Puzzle Designer Oskar Vandeventer and covered by China Utility Patent No. 2010 20244123.7.


I conclude:
1) Oskar is now working with [removed]!
2) Uwe only glued stickers (bad busines)

Oskar, Uwe - I want explanations ...

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:11 am 
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grigr wrote:
very strange situation ...
1. original video published by [removed]
[link removed]

2. Uwe tells us in NewsLeter:
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We are pleased to bring you the GearMinx designed by the famous Gear Puzzle Designer Oskar Vandeventer and covered by China Utility Patent No. 2010 20244123.7.


I conclude:
1) Oskar is now working with [removed]!
2) Uwe only glued stickers (bad busines)

Oskar, Uwe - I want explanations ...

Perhaps Uwe legitimised it like he did with my Fisher Cube.

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:58 pm 
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I believe these are being mass produced by a KO company?

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:47 pm 
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The gear mechanism is patented. [removed] has taken that mechanism and used it wholesale for this puzzle. Uwe has legitimized it as Tony says.

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:48 am 
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The gear mechanism is patented. {not-to-be-named party} has taken that mechanism and used it wholesale for this puzzle. Uwe has legitimized it as Tony says.
That is correct. The gear mechanism is an exact copy of Gear Cube. I claim only to be the designer of the Gear Cube mechanism, not of the shape mod. In a more perfect world, the mass-production of this shape-mod would have involved a business arrangement with Mefferts (to whom I have exclusively licensed the rights to the Gear Cube mechanism), and there would have been two names on the puzzle (including the still-anonymous designer of the shape-mod). Unfortunately, this is not such a perfect world.

As you may understand, I have double feelings about this puzzle. On the one hand, I feel flattered that my mechanical design is being appreciated and that it is used for some beautifully-looking shape-mods. On the other hand, I wish that {not-to-be-named party} could be more respectful to the inventor and producer of the puzzle that he used as a basis. To my modest opinion, applying for a Chinese design registration by {not-to-be-named party} without reference to the origin of the mechanical design and claiming to be a 100% original design, is not very respectful.

I wish to express my gratitude to Uwe for offering the legitimized version, and also to Calvin (HKnowStore) for making the legitimized version available to twisty-puzzle fans that wish to stay away from (semi-) knock offs.

Call me naive, but I do not see any need for copying designs in the current twisty-puzzle market. The world has many brilliant TP designers, like Leslie Le, Okamoto, Bao, Hidetoshi, Grigoriev, Dayan, Smith, Cowan, Cormier, Hoff, Pfennig, van der Zanden, Aleh, Eitan, Witeden, Polonsky, Cohen, Fisher, Smaz, Evbatyrov and many more. There are more great TP designs out there than ever before. As Calvin's Puzzle is showing, a producer can easily get a design license from TP designers anywhere in the world. Just ask!

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:20 pm 
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Oskar wrote:
Call me naive, but I do not see any need for copying designs in the current twisty-puzzle market. The world has many brilliant TP designers, like Leslie Le, Okamoto, Bao, Hidetoshi, Grigoriev, Dayan, Smith, Cowan, Cormier, Fisher, Pfennig, van der Zanden, Aleh, Eitan, Witeden, Polonsky, Cohen, Fisher, Smaz, Evbatyrov and many more. There are more great TP designs out there than ever before. As Calvin's Puzzle is showing, a producer can easily get a design license from TP designers anywhere in the world. Just ask!
I'm naive and want to stay that way myself. But I totally agree. I'd certainly be flattered too if someone went to the trouble to copy one of my designs but as you say... there is no need. All someone has to do is ask... and I'll say yes. A little respect will go a long ways with most designers. Even though I see Poseidon didn't make the list and I see Fisher made it twice. :wink: LOL!!!

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:01 am 
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be a designer I never put my name on the piracy cube :oops:
although you say this is my design.


Never compromise on piracy :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:08 am 
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SmaZ wrote:
Never compromise on piracy
Thank you for contributing this aspect of the dilemma at hand.

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:21 pm 
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What is the difference between the two? Is it just a sticker variation or would they solve differently, like the Gear Cube and the Gear Cube Extreme?

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
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themathkid wrote:
What is the difference between the two? Is it just a sticker variation or would they solve differently, like the Gear Cube and the Gear Cube Extreme?

I believe a more apt comparison is between the Gear Cube Ultimate and the Gear Cube Extreme, but yes.

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 Post subject: Re: China: Gear Dodecahedron (Gear Cube MOD)
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:57 am 
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Just to follow up on this:

This site respects Oskar's ownership of the gear cube design, even if presented in a shape mod. He has chosen to work with Meffert and Calvin to authorize their sale of this puzzle, even though a non-authorized version was presented first (as is often the case with KO products).

As such I have removed manufacturer names and links from this thread that would lead to the KO version.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:09 am 
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I received one of these a few days ago. The turning is really good- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4GKO2MHwvg

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