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 Post subject: Barcelona braces 4 million-strong march 4 Catalan independce
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:23 am 
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Barcelona braces for million-strong march for Catalan independence
Mass rally marks watershed in Catalan independence movement and threatens rift with Spain's federal government

Stephen Burgen in Barcelona
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 11 September 2012 09.30 BST


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Polls show support for Catalan independence is running at 51%, twice as high as in 2008 when the financial crisis began. Photograph: Gustau Nacarino/Reuters

Up to a million people are expected to converge on Barcelona to join a rally demanding independence for Catalonia in Spain's north-east.

At least one train and more than 1,000 coaches have been chartered to bring supporters to Tuesday evening's march, which is likely to mark a watershed in the hitherto marginal independence movement and a rupture with Spain's federal government.

Long-standing resentments about what Catalans see as their unfairly high contribution to central government have been inflamed by Spain's economic woes. Polls show support for independence running at 51%, twice as high as in 2008 when the financial crisis began.

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Carles Brugueras, a documentary film-maker, said he was not a nationalist but favoured independence from an economic perspective. "For a long time, Catalonia has been generating a lot of resources for Spain but the fiscal balance has been very unfair," he said.

Laura Nuñez, a law student, is also a new convert to independence, believing it would boost the Catalan economy.

"We're economically the most powerful part of Spain because of industry and tourism and we contribute more than other Spanish regions.."

The rise in support for secession has caught Catalonia's nationalist CiU government off guard. CiU, which has governed the region for 25 of the 33 years since democracy was restored after the death of the dictator Franco, has never aspired to independence, preferring to wring more autonomy out of minority governments in Madrid.

Artur Mas, the Catalan president, initially said he had no intention of joining the march but now says he will attend in a personal capacity. An attempt by another senior CiU politician to justify his attendance at the rally by portraying it as pro-Catalan rather than pro-independence fell flat when Carme Forcadell, spokeswoman for the group behind the march, said: "Anyone who attends should understand that they will be considered pro-independence."

Catalonia is one of 17 autonomous regions in Spain's federal system, which has come under attack from, among others, the European Central Bank, who have questioned the system's viability. Most of the regions have been run as virtual fiefdoms by local politicians hand in hand with the savings banks, almost of all of which are now bankrupt. Earlier this month, Catalonia asked Madrid for a €5bn (£4bn) bailout, while claiming that it was only asking for what was rightfully its own in the first place.

There is considerable antipathy in Spain towards the Catalans, who are often viewed as complaining and, from a Spanish point of view, disloyal. Catalans are, understandably, hurt by this. "I'm fed up with the way we're criticised whatever we do," said Gemma Soler, a secretary. "And I'm tired of having to justify myself wherever I go in the peninsula, that we're not the extremists they make us out to be, as if we went around burning cars and flags all the time."

Montse Agell, who works for a charitable foundation, said one of the reasons she was pro-independence was that "basically, I don't want to live among people who don't like me".

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 Post subject: Re: Barcelona braces 4 million-strong march 4 Catalan indepe
PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:35 am 
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mArtorell wrote:
There is considerable antipathy in Spain towards the Catalans, who are often viewed as complaining and, from a Spanish point of view, disloyal...

Montse Agell, who works for a charitable foundation, said one of the reasons she was pro-independence was that "basically, I don't want to live among people who don't like me".

Seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy:

The Catalans basically moan and want to become independent because they don't like the fact (or perception) that the Spanish don't like the Catalans for moaning and wanting to become independent. :roll:

At least that's how the article reads to me as an outsider, unless I have it all wrong? :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Barcelona braces 4 million-strong march 4 Catalan indepe
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Sorry, i can't understand what you're trying to say.

We want independence because we are a nation and we want to be free and recognized arround the world as what we are: catalans and not spaniards. The process is similar to Scotland or Québéc.

Check this video, I think it will help to understand it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KVX6fKxojk

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 Post subject: Re: Barcelona braces 4 million-strong march 4 Catalan indepe
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Just how itty bitty do countries want to be? I live in a region, but like being a citizen of a huge area. But then, I barely have an ethnic identity and keep to myself most of the day so I'm not reminded of being allied with some guy down the street very much, who might be from another country anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Barcelona braces 4 million-strong march 4 Catalan indepe
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:58 pm 
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Please keep politics off of the forum. Even in Off Topic.

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 Post subject: Re: Barcelona braces 4 million-strong march 4 Catalan indepe
PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:57 pm 
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mArtorell wrote:
[...] The process is similar to Scotland or Québéc [...]
Actually, a recent poll shows that support for Quebec independence is down. Way down. At the beginning of August, 36 to 38% of the Quebec population wanted independence and more recently that number went down to 28%.
(sources: Reuters Canada and La Presse)

bmenrigh wrote:
Please keep politics off of the forum. Even in Off Topic.
Totally agree. :D

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