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 Post subject: dayan/mf8 Crazy Octahedron
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Cool. Let's hope a regular version will be made too.

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Sure there'll be 8 or even more planets.
Dear Mf8, who can afford 8 crazy cubes, 8 crazy dodecahedrons, 9 crazy tetrahedrons and now 8 crazy octahedrons ?
I love your cubes, you're a great designer but what about selling something like a "all in one" for each of them.
Having to choose one among eight is rather frustrating. So, as others cubes, I'll buy one or two but I will never buy all of them.

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oh my God! Let's hope they keep the black plastic :roll:

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I wish they sold it as a standard puzzle then for an extra $10-$15 they would give you pieces that could be used for the bandaging.
Please do this MF8 as I'm sure sales would be better.

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I wish they sold it as a standard puzzle then for an extra $10-$15 they would give you pieces that could be used for the bandaging.



Actually that sounds like a really good idea, same could be done for the crazy cubes aswell.

Just to check, is this a FTO or a VTO?

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My guess would be that it is a face-turning puzzle. Otherwise, what would be the point of the circles as they wouldn't be affected by vertex-turns?


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I can't really see how they could make a vertex turning octahedron so i think it's an FTO.

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I made my design Wheel-FTO, and showed his Chinese friends.
but they told me that this puzzle exists!
I decided not to make 3D-print, and wait MF8-puzzle, so they had no problems with the patent

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 Post subject: Re: dayan/mf8 Crazy Octahedron
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I believe that it has to be a FTO as the pieces below the tips would be connected on a VTO

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The red shows the pieces I was talking about and the yellow shows where the connection should be on a VTO.
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 Post subject: Re: dayan/mf8 Crazy Octahedron
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anyone else notice that this is, in fact, the first Crazy puzzle that is not simply a 'super' version of another puzzle? None of the circle pieces are 'bridged' to any of the external pieces, and instead form new pieces not otherwise present (Master Skewb corners, and two sets of what appear to be Pyraminx edges) on a normal FTO.

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 Post subject: Re: dayan/mf8 Crazy Octahedron
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anyone else notice that this is, in fact, the first Crazy puzzle that is not simply a 'super' version of another puzzle? None of the circle pieces are 'bridged' to any of the external pieces, and instead form new pieces not otherwise present (Master Skewb corners, and two sets of what appear to be Pyraminx edges) on a normal FTO.

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 Post subject: Re: dayan/mf8 Crazy Octahedron
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Monopoly wrote:
anyone else notice that this is, in fact, the first Crazy puzzle that is not simply a 'super' version of another puzzle? None of the circle pieces are 'bridged' to any of the external pieces, and instead form new pieces not otherwise present (Master Skewb corners, and two sets of what appear to be Pyraminx edges) on a normal FTO.


It actually is! the pieces inside the circle that are part of the edges act the same as the circle pieces in the edges of a circle 3x3x3. There is no center to attach to, but there are 8 groups of 3 that are actually connected.

The other circle pieces, those in the face pieces, are also connected to another one of those, so these are bridged in 12 groups of 2.

Knowing this makes it easier to solve, but still quite a tough puzzle! Let alone the crazy versions. Although they will be more of a challenge, I don't like all those series either. Just one regular one, with black plastic and stickers.

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 Post subject: Re: dayan/mf8 Crazy Octahedron
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Cool. And I can just agree with anyone else saying that a normal version in black plastic would be best. Especially the fact that it has to have all circles be stationary.
Until this day I don't own a single circle puzzle that ever came out. I was about to order two black cubes from the special solid color series and merge them, but than they were out.
I would like to have this one though since it is a relatively considerable solving task.

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I made my design Wheel-FTO, and showed his Chinese friends.
but they told me that this puzzle exists!
I decided not to make 3D-print, and wait MF8-puzzle, so they had no problems with the patent


wow. The second one is great. It is a circle version of what Mr. Okamoto first showed to the world on his old website, called Dino Octa. I would even more love to see it produced without the circles. It's not more than a "fully functional" extended Rainbow Cube and also not at all more difficult to solve than the normal FTO but it looks so great.

EDIT to the last off topic paragraph: I can't find it in the museum. There are some pics on google.
another thing: Has anyone else noticed the cube in the background? What does that look like? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: dayan/mf8 Crazy Octahedron
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I thought I could make a new post instead of editing a second time after hours. I just see that the cube in the back is the bermuda cube that is also currently in the New Puzzles section.
I thought it was a Mixup Cube. Too bad. :P

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Here is a better representation of what I meant in my previous post. With a regular corcle FTO, the pieces with the same color are connected. The red pieces are also connected to the stationary red dot, so it has only one orbit. The same goes for the orange.
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 Post subject: Re: dayan/mf8 Crazy Octahedron
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If anyone wants to play it without waiting, please download Bo Hu's simulators, which includes all "crazy" variations:

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Click index.htm to open it. Thanks.


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oh my God! Let's hope they keep the black plastic :roll:


I agree.

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^^^Unfortunately I think it will be made in color plastic because of the visible gaps in the pieces, particularly the tips. I'm sill holding out hopes for solid colors though.


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Don't dream - this will be made with ugly plastic colour in 8 different planets
Business is business : why making one puzzle when one can sell you eight!
That's why I have only buy the 4*4*4 crazy II
Others are so ugly....


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The second puzzle in the picture is (I believe) a mini mixup cube. I just hope that it is, I really want one!

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The cube at the back is a Bermuda Cube.

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^^^Unfortunately I think it will be made in color plastic because of the visible gaps in the pieces, particularly the tips. I'm sill holding out hopes for solid colors though.

I dont think the colored plastic could solve the gaps :) But I agree. I think they are going to be released in full color plastic.
And then later a few solid color ones too.

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I don't think there is any reason they should not use colored plastic... it probably is economic, as well, in that it decreases labor costs (no sticking = less work time)

and come on, give colored plastic a break... it's really not bad, in person. if you hate it, you've probably never handled it before.

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They do colored plastic because the Chinese market likes it, which is much larger than our little market here.

I know of quite a few people who have handled these puzzles and still think the colored plastic version ones are awful.

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This conversation (coloured plastic) is officially an `old chestnut` :wink: .

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PS Awesome puzzle, can't wait!! - I don't think it will be a crazy series because otherwise it would have a centre piece? How will they bandage it otherwise? I think it looks like one cube, all unbandaged sides.

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There is an internal centerpiece so bandaging should be no problem.

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I don't think there is any reason they should not use colored plastic... it probably is economic, as well, in that it decreases labor costs (no sticking = less work time)

and come on, give colored plastic a break... it's really not bad, in person. if you hate it, you've probably never handled it before.


I don't mind because colored plastic is durable, but all the colored plastic puzzles I have turn about half as good as other puzzles :(

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I don't think there is any reason they should not use colored plastic... it probably is economic, as well, in that it decreases labor costs (no sticking = less work time)

and come on, give colored plastic a break... it's really not bad, in person. if you hate it, you've probably never handled it before.
I don't mind because colored plastic is durable, but all the colored plastic puzzles I have turn about half as good as other puzzles :(
I think you can compare identical puzzles, only. E.g. the Crazy Plus series are complex puzzles (much more pieces can catch if not aligned properly than on a 3x3x3), but if I compare my black versions with the coloured plastic version, I assure you, there is not the slightest difference regarding turning. (There is a difference, though, with the stickers. The little stickers peel off easily, while peeling of coloured plastic has not been reported yet :lol: )
Be honest, how many identical puzzles have you got in black and coloured plastic?
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I really wish they would sell just normal puzzles and give out little pieces that you could then bandage it
that way you wouldnt have to pay 150 bucks or so for slightly different solving methods
and I really wouldnt mind paying a bit more for one (than the actual price, not 150)

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Konrad wrote:
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I don't think there is any reason they should not use colored plastic... it probably is economic, as well, in that it decreases labor costs (no sticking = less work time)

and come on, give colored plastic a break... it's really not bad, in person. if you hate it, you've probably never handled it before.
I don't mind because colored plastic is durable, but all the colored plastic puzzles I have turn about half as good as other puzzles :(
I think you can compare identical puzzles, only. E.g. the Crazy Plus series are complex puzzles (much more pieces can catch if not aligned properly than on a 3x3x3), but if I compare my black versions with the coloured plastic version, I assure you, there is not the slightest difference regarding turning. (There is a difference, though, with the stickers. The little stickers peel off easily, while peeling of coloured plastic has not been reported yet :lol: )
Be honest, how many identical puzzles have you got in black and coloured plastic?
(I have learnt a new word today, describing this discussion: "old chestnut" :lol: )


It could easily be made better... These companies are sacrificing quality for simplicity (for molding) and that's not very nice considering the high prices

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If it comes in black with stickers, I'm buying it. If it comes in the usual 8+ coloured plastic versions, they can keep it.


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I have been thinking about this plastic thing and I had an idea.
MF8 did sell solid color versions of their puzzles in limited numbers.
Maybe we can start a list about who would like to buy a solid black regular version. Or only the parts needed to assemble it.
I don't know how many would be needed to convince MF8 and Dayan to produce them.
But I do know that a whole lot of 3x3x3s and other puzzles would be on the list. I also would love to have a crazy 4x4x4 III in solid black. There were like ten of those in their shop once. I never saw one on a picture elsewhere or on youtube though.
Also the black 3x3x3 got sold out so quickly but no new ones.
Maybe they just don't believe in the number of orders they could get.
Is it worth a thread?

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Can we please put the color plastic posts into another thread? It's getting really annoying that every time mf8 posts a cool puzzle, most of the posters just complain about the plastic being colored (something not even confirmed yet) instead of talking about the puzzle. Should I be PM'ing a moderator?

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No, chill.
Sorry if it anoys you though.
Yes it's still a cool puzzle either way.

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Here is a better representation of what I meant in my previous post. With a regular corcle FTO, the pieces with the same color are connected. The red pieces are also connected to the stationary red dot, so it has only one orbit. The same goes for the orange.
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Back on topic here; I'm not touching on the colored/solid debacle. I am very interested in the behavior of the inner circle "pie slices". I especially wonder what the orbits might be like for the paired pieces highlighted in green/blue: Can they be fully scrambled, or will they only form very specific types of patterns? Another thing, too, if they do release the "planet" varieties of this puzzle, I believe that the version with fixed/rotating centers on the even/odd faces would have some interesting properties, without becoming as deeply scrambled as the others. Reason I say this is that odd pieces always stay on odd faces, and visa-versa. That is why I have always preferred my octahedral puzzles (FTO, Skewb Diamond) to have four-color schemes rather than 8 colors. Anyway, with this "hybrid" version (alternating faces have fixed/rotating centers), the pie circle pieces the four rotating faces would always remain fixed to their parent pieces, and the pie circle pieces in the four fixed faces would still move in their predefined orbits as they do in the "standard" version of the puzzle. They would all behave equivalent to the crazy tetrahedron pieces.

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the blue/green pieces are like two sets of pyraminx edges- they can be fully scrambled, but are in two different orbits.
I like to imagine this puzzle as a compound of two pyraminxes that retains the original pieces of both pyraminxes (centers [red orange] and two sets of edges [blue green]), as well as the pieces formed from the intersection of the two sets of cuts (FTO pieces.)

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Interesting puzzle. Did anyone else notice the black-bodied mixup-like cube in the background of the picture?


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Interesting puzzle. Did anyone else notice the black-bodied mixup-like cube in the background of the picture?


That would just be a bermuda, I think

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PLEASE! SOMEBODY please tell MF8/Dayan to make a "regular" version of both this puzzle (the crazy octahedron), and change their mind and make a "regular" version of the crazy megaminx. I'm am NOT buying 8 or 9 of these puzzles; if I'm going to buy one, it's only going to be an unbandaged version.


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Guys please keep the comments about color vs. black Here
Lets try to focus on the actual puzzle being presented.


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