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 Post subject: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:38 am 
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Now I have been thinking about this puzzle for quite a long while. I've been hesitating to post this because I am very sure that someone here has built this before.
But I'm going to try my luck. :)

It all started when I was getting annoyed by how simple the 1x2x2 looks but could be solved by practically anyone. Then one day after seeing the Kilominxes, I thought if anyone had built a floppy version of this.

I've looked everywhere but it appears that it hasn't been made. So here I am. :D

I'm assuming that this would have to be built from a floppy Megaminx and include some fudging. I really want to hear some opinions about it.

If it has been built, :( , but at least I'm happy it exists :D .

(Oh by the way, didn't call it Floppy Kilominx ONLY because if a 3x3x3 is to a Megaminx and a 5x5x5 is to a Gigaminx, then the Kilominx should be 1x1x1. But that's just me. :lol: )

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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Here's a quick sketch of what I'm talking about.


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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:07 am 
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I'm not sure if it has been made before but it is a very simple puzzle and wouldn't need fudging. The hardest part would be using (what did we end up calling these cuts, mercator?) cuts to make it a floppy kilominx instead of a floppy megaminx. The kilominx is a 2x2x2 because each edge has two pieces. That's why a megaminx is considered a 3x3x3 and a gigaminx is a 5x5x5, not 4x4x4.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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(what did we end up calling these cuts, mercator?) cuts
That was the last name post in this thread. But I'm currently meaning toward hyperboloidal cuts. I think that name carries more info with it then mercator, as all these cuts are hyperboloids. At least that is the case as long as the puzzle has planar surfaces. Make a pillowed floppy kilominx and then your cut geometry would depend on your exact surface geometry.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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Oskar has already made a 2-layer version of this...


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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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PuzzleMaster6262 wrote:
The kilominx is a 2x2x2 because each edge has two pieces. That's why a megaminx is considered a 3x3x3 and a gigaminx is a 5x5x5, not 4x4x4.


What he means is that a kilominx should be a 1x1x1 dodecahedron, not 2x2x2 because all of the other dodecs are odd-numbered.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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thomasbomb wrote:
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The kilominx is a 2x2x2 because each edge has two pieces. That's why a megaminx is considered a 3x3x3 and a gigaminx is a 5x5x5, not 4x4x4.


What he means is that a kilominx should be a 1x1x1 dodecahedron, not 2x2x2 because all of the other dodecs are odd-numbered.


The only reason they are all odd-numbered is because the 4x4 equivalent has not been made yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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One person did make the 4x4x4 version awhile ago actually, but it was hand made, and built from a cube for you gigaminx... here let me find a link...

ah, here it is.
Made by kickflip, and called the master kilominx by him.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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Ahh, I stand corrected. I knew I'd seen it somewhere but I thought it was just my mind playing tricks on me. Thanks for the link.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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elijah wrote:
One person did make the 4x4x4 version awhile ago actually, but it was hand made, and built from a cube for you gigaminx... here let me find a link...

ah, here it is.
Made by kickflip, and called the master kilominx by him.

Wow, that's incredible. But adding new puzzles to the face-turning dodecahedron family could ruin the naming... or would it just go like "master [puzzle name]"?

That idea is just so perfect, though. We need mass-produced Master Kilominxes NOW!

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Now I'm curious, what would the proper name be for something in between a gigaminx and teraminx? Professor/Elite kilominx?


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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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Now I'm curious, what would the proper name be for something in between a gigaminx and teraminx? Professor/Elite kilominx?

I'd call it a Master Gigaminx, actually. But that's just me.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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Now I'm curious, what would the proper name be for something in between a gigaminx and teraminx? Professor/Elite kilominx?

I'd call it a Master Gigaminx, actually. But that's just me.

I think mixing the higher order and lower order names sounds cool, but then again would you buy a megigaminx?

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thomasbomb wrote:
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Now I'm curious, what would the proper name be for something in between a gigaminx and teraminx? Professor/Elite kilominx?

I'd call it a Master Gigaminx, actually. But that's just me.

I think mixing the higher order and lower order names sounds cool, but then again would you buy a megigaminx?

Yes, yes I would.

Or we could call it the Kilogaminx.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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Well, I personally would have named the kilominx a duominx,
and it was named such here:
Then, the 4 layer version would be the quadraminx
However, the 6 layer version would then be called the hexaminx, but that name has already been taken by tony fisher...
Likewise the octaminx and probably decaminx has been taken, so, I am at a loss for naming then after the Quadraminx.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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I always thought the even numbered ones should be demi-whatever, so a kilominx would be a demimegaminx, and a 4-layered one would be a demigigaminx, and so on.

But that's just me...


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I love buy this puzzle because it looks so cute, easy for beginners and fun to solve.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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Jared wrote:
Oskar has already made a 2-layer version of this...


Really? :shock: Please give me a link to this. I was planning to use this idea for a two-layered one as well. I wanted to see if it can work like Oskar's Illegal Cube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjQP9OHLQYk

But that's another story for now.

By the way, not trying to be mean or anything, but I think main focus is on the puzzle not the naming convention! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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When I first saw this topic, from the title I thought you mean, you want to make one of these puzzles:
If I'm right till now nobody made these

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It would be nice to see one of these made by someone.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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David Chua wrote:
Jared wrote:
Oskar has already made a 2-layer version of this...


Really? :shock: Please give me a link to this.


http://youtu.be/G8UH251ytV8


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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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Jared wrote:
I always thought the even numbered ones should be demi-whatever, so a kilominx would be a demimegaminx, and a 4-layered one would be a demigigaminx, and so on.

But that's just me...


I realize it's a a bit masturbatory for everyone and their mother to suggest what *they* think the naming scheme would be, but why not use the fractional prefixes for the even-numbered dodecahedra? 2: milliminx, 4: microminx, 6: nanominx, etc...

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I like that idea alot, actually... At least then things stay consistent.

As far as the floppy impossible dodecahedron goes, it shouldn't be too hard to design.
I remember a floppy megaminx floating around her somewhere, and other than the weird cuts, i think the designs are virtually identical. Coming up with an easy way to assemble it should definitely be thought about before printing it though. I know that tend to be a pretty big issue with puzzles that have no visible center.

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 Post subject: Re: Floppy Impossible Dodecahedron?
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Jared wrote:
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Oskar has already made a 2-layer version of this...


Really? :shock: Please give me a link to this.


http://youtu.be/G8UH251ytV8


Oh well...great minds think alike! :lol: I'm not that great, really.

Hmm...by the looks of it I still can make a Floppy version then seeing that no one else has made it. :)

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I always thought the even numbered ones should be demi-whatever, so a kilominx would be a demimegaminx, and a 4-layered one would be a demigigaminx, and so on.

But that's just me...


I realize it's a a bit masturbatory for everyone and their mother to suggest what *they* think the naming scheme would be, but why not use the fractional prefixes for the even-numbered dodecahedra? 2: milliminx, 4: microminx, 6: nanominx, etc...


Well I DID say that the main focus was on the puzzle and not the naming. (In fact, I would probably make a new topic for that seeing how many different opinions there are about it. :) ) But it looks like I have to agree with that system. As long as it is consistent I like it :D . The only problem is getting everyone to agree with that.

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I like that idea alot, actually... At least then things stay consistent.

As far as the floppy impossible dodecahedron goes, it shouldn't be too hard to design.
I remember a floppy megaminx floating around her somewhere, and other than the weird cuts, i think the designs are virtually identical. Coming up with an easy way to assemble it should definitely be thought about before printing it though. I know that tend to be a pretty big issue with puzzles that have no visible center.


Yeah I noticed. I probably shouldn't under estimate the difficulty of assembling this puzzle. Oh and if you do find a post about the Floppy Megaminx I'd like to get a link. :)

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Oh and if you do find a post about the Floppy Megaminx I'd like to get a link. :)


Here is the post about my Floppy Pentagonal Prism Puzzle.

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Door wrote:
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Oh and if you do find a post about the Floppy Megaminx I'd like to get a link. :)


Here is the post about my Floppy Pentagonal Prism Puzzle.

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I guess I'll have to ask for your permission to make this then. :D Will you let me?

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I'm pretty sure you don't need permission to make a 1x2x2 when someone made a 1x3x3, though :lol:

It's a good thing to ask though in general :)

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David Chua wrote:
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Oh and if you do find a post about the Floppy Megaminx I'd like to get a link. :)


Here is the post about my Floppy Pentagonal Prism Puzzle.

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I guess I'll have to ask for your permission to make this then. :D Will you let me?


Of course you can make it :)
I'd be happy to see it made, and the concept is quite different from mine anyway so I dont think you need permission from me!

I'm looking forward to seeing it!
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Door wrote:
Of course you can make it :)
I'd be happy to see it made, and the concept is quite different from mine anyway so I dont think you need permission from me!

I'm looking forward to seeing it!
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Ah ok thanks a lot. :)

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I'm pretty sure you don't need permission to make a 1x2x2 when someone made a 1x3x3, though :lol:

It's a good thing to ask though in general :)


I'm just being nice, which I should be anyways. :lol:

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