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 Post subject: The Compy Skewb
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:05 am 
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This is the Compy Skewb, a variation on my Dino Skewb, suggested by Carl Hoff (wwwmwww). When I mentioned that the Dino Skewb is built on a Tetrahedral Twins, which in turn is built on a Skewb he asked if I could design a modification for him that would have all the pieces visible. The final result I came up with is far from a modification, but it looks great.
In a sense, it is a Chompy Skewb Multicube.

Visually, it looks like it has many layers. When I showed the design to Andrew Cormier, his response was "Is that a cubic Elite Skewb?". Well, it's not. It's only got four layers, just like the Dino Skewb.

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The puzzle is essentially a combination of a Skewb and Compy Cube (shallow cut Dino), hence the name. It's not quite that actually. That design wouldn't have the tips. Originally I had the tips chopped off for aesthetics, but Carl mentioned that while I showed the permutation of the Skewb corners (you can tell from the piece below the tip), I did not show their orientation. He suggested to add tips to show the orientation.
This gives an awkward situation. You cannot turn the tips on their own. If you do a Compy turn, the tips remain untwisted. If you do a Skewb turn, the tips turn with it. I thought that would be uncomfortable but it actually doesn't matter much. In any case, making them turn freely just takes five minutes and a blade if you don't like them not twisting on your own - though it makes the puzzle much easier to solve.

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All in all, this puzzle emulates:
- A Skewb,
- A Dino Skewb,
- And partially, a Tetrahedral Twins.

I could not be more pleased with the result. The turning is great and so is the stability - which was a minor issue on the Dino Skewb. As you can tell, the puzzle is visually stunning.

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
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Me likes! :D Looks like a really impressive puzzle to have sitting on someone's shelf!

Oh, and I think [url]VIDEO[/url] needs to be corrected.

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Woah... That is amazing!

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
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That is epic! I like epic puzzles :D

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
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Me likes! :D Looks like a really impressive puzzle to have sitting on someone's shelf!

Oh, and I think [url]VIDEO[/url] needs to be corrected.

As he stated before, he was waiting for the video before submitting this.

I kept telling myself: these are NOT trivial tips, these are NOT trivial tips... Well, they really are trivial tips!

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
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Read more carefully. The tips are in fact... not trivial.

I am having tremendous trouble with the video. I spent an hour uploading the original file but that got corrupted, so I had to retake the video and now I just started the second attempt at uploading it. The [url] but was intentional, but I've now replaced it with a link to google.

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
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I really like this puzzle! I will start saving up right away.. good job TomZ! :)

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
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This is just amazing. Words fail to explain the the way I feel by looking at this puzzle. I'm a huge fan of higher order Skewb puzzles, and this combined with a Dino Skewb just adds to the awesomeness.

Do you know what price you'll be selling it at yet? If it won't be too expensive, I'll hopefully be able to save up for it, because this is a puzzle I really would love to get! :D Great job!

Also, can't wait to see a video showing turning quality and size etc.


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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
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This is not a higher order Skewb. It is just a regular Skewb with Compy Cube/shallow cut Dino.

I've added the video.

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I have watched the video! its just awazing how smooth that thing is! now I want it even more!! :twisted:

and its so small!! WOOW!! like a rubiks 5x5x5?

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
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My bad! Sure looked like that from the amount of pieces on it. At first I also mistook it for an elite Skewb. Thanks for clarifying.


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I said Lattic Master Skewb, and it was Compy Skewb, I was SOOOO close. Yours has both cuts one step deeper than what I said, and they both have th same outside look :)

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
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The Compy Skewb puzzle is now available on Shapeways for $270/€250! As always, fully assembled puzzles are available from me.

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
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TomZ wrote:
The Compy Skewb is now available on Shapeways for $270/€250! As always, fully assembled puzzles are available from me.

So -- it actually costs less than the Dino Skewb? Is that right???

Also, you need to enable permissions for others on it.


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Yes, that is right. For some reason, printing this 65mm puzzle was somewhat cheaper than printing the 62mm Dino Skewb.
Also, I've gone a slight bit lower on the mark up because I think this puzzle will be more popular than the Dino Skewb (more sales = lower profit margin).

I have enabled the permissions, thank you for pointing that out.

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Beautiful puzzle :D would it be a skewb or a dino? Irrelevant question I know... :oops:

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As irrelevant as your question may be, I don't understand. Is it some kind of joke?

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wow! even cheaper than the Dinoskewb? I think I can buy already in September! :)

Edit: I have a question. could you make the last cut? I am talking about the small compy cut.

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You mean the cut that would make it a Lattice Chompy Skewb?
No, that cut doesn't exist. Maybe I could design it but it would make the puzzle easier to solve.

There are so many possibilities of making lookalikes...

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I dont care if it gets easier. I would want that cut on a master skewb as well.. :)

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That is so crazy, yet beautiful!

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Another masterpiece by my fellow dutchman. You are putting out some great stuff these days.

If the corners wouldn't 'stay put' when a compy turn is made, would it form on piece with the three adjectent squares?

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Is this puzzle cheaper than say the dino skewb because of shapeways new pricing model even though it is bigger?

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
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TomZ wrote:
This gives an award situation.

I'd give that situation an award... but I'm of course biased. Actually I think you mean awkward.
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In any case, making them turn freely just takes five minutes and a blade.

But why would you want to do that?
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All in all, this puzzle emulates:
- A Skewb,
- A Dino Skewb,
- And partially, a Tetrahedral Twins.

You had me worried there a bit... I had to go back and check...
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The only pieces you are missing are the trivial tips which are order=5 pieces. You have all the important ones.

My post over in the hint thead "O3CTMC" can be read as Order = 3 Corner-Turning MultiCube and that is how I view this puzzle. It is A Order = 3 Corner-Turning MultiCube. It is not THE Order = 3 Corner-Turning MultiCube, but more on that in a bit. Specificaly this is the Multi Dino Skewb as its a Dino Skewb WITH all its interior pieces visible on the surface, much as the Crazy 4x4x4's are Multi-4x4x4's.

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I don't have a video of THE order=3 corner-turning Multicube but I do have a video of the order=2 one. Here it is.

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To turn this into a video of THE order=3 Multicube I'd just have to add the Skewb cuts to each and every frame of this animation. So this Multicube is the puzzle you have when you stop this animation on the frame Dino Cube and add the Skewb cuts... it IS the Dino Skewb Multicube with all the Dino Skewb's interior pieces solvable. You solve the volume of the puzzle.... not JUST the surface. True 3D puzzling. If this were THE order=3 corner-turning Multicube you'd have to build the Master Skewb Skewb (using the naming scheme at play here) and then find a way to make all of its interior pieces viewable on the surface. Note the pieces labeled 3, 4, and 5 (and piece 4 would be cut up by the Skewb cut) are not present in this Multicube, a subset of the full Multicube.

Tom, do you think the Multi Master Skewb Skewb is doable? If I'm correct it should have all these pieces plus 4 new types of pieces. All while still just having 4 layers or what I like to call order=3. I count the cut planes instead of the layers.

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WOW sooooo COOL!!


Uwe Meffert should mass produce this to slim down the expensive price tag!!!PLEASE


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Uwe Meffert should mass produce this to slim down the expensive price tag!!!PLEASE

There are so many puzzles we'd love a lower price tag on. Like the triple-fused Petaminx void.

I was tricked by the seemingly trivial tips. But why? Is it a mech requirement, or did you make it like that on purpose?

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I could not be more pleased with the result. The turning is great and so is the stability - which was a minor issue on the Dino Skewb. As you can tell, the puzzle is visually stunning.
As one of the fans of your puzzles I have to say: Very, very nice :D :D :D
Now, I have to convince my wife that this makes a very nice christmas gift :) (without telling her directly how much it costs, really :roll: )
I interpret you, that it turns even better than your Dino Skewb, right?
I would assume, that the solution is quite similar to that of the Dino Skewb, or does exposing parts of the tetrahedral twins add some difficulty?

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Couldn't you present this before the tetrahedral twins and the DinoSkewb? :lol:
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Let me address some of the comments.

drew11: neither this or the Dino Skewb benefits from the new pricing. I tried my best, but I couldn't make the model dense enough. Maybe making the wall thicker again will make the puzzle cheaper, but I want to move on to new things instead.
wwwmwww: I don't think all people will like that they can't twist the corners on their own. Of course the current puzzle is the most difficult version, but there are always purists out there...
wwwmwww: Multi Master Skewb Skewb... Wouldn't that be an Elite Skewb with all the pieces visible?
Rentlix: the untrivial tips are a choice. Having them linked to the internal Skewb makes the puzzle more difficult to solve.
Konrad: I haven't solved either so I can't tell. My guess is that this one is much more difficult, since besides solving a Dino Skewb you also have to solve a normal Skewb, the Tetrahedral Twins pieces and the tip bases need to be oriented correctly. All simultaneously, so I imagine this puzzle being a nightmare.
Andreas: That's called good business practise ;-)

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Andreas: That's called good business practise ;-)

Ha, I ordered the Dino Skewb a day before this epic came out, now I'm tempted to get this one even though I'm quite broke, good business practise indeed.


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wwwmwww: I don't think all people will like that they can't twist the corners on their own. Of course the current puzzle is the most difficult version, but there are always purists out there...


But that is like cheating. ;) Those corners ARE the skewb's corners and they don't turn by themselves. Do you want to solve a Skewb with trivial corners? That just takes away ALL the fun. Plus I view these corners as one of my biggest contributions to this puzzle. You start cutting them up and I might take that personally. ;)

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wwwmwww: Multi Master Skewb Skewb... Wouldn't that be an Elite Skewb with all the pieces visible?


Ahhh... yes... yes it is. I agree Elite Skewb sounds alot better then Master Skewb Skewb. And I just noticed something else. The Elite Skewb HAS the other 4 pieces of THE order=3 corner turning Multicube that aren't present on this puzzle. So I way to simulate THE order=3 corner turning Multicube now already exists in the physical form. If you set the Compy Skewb next to an Elite Skewb and scramble using the same moves on each then try to solve both at the same time again with the requirement that you make the exact same move on each you ARE in effect solving THE order=3 corner turning Multicube.

So now I want to get my hands on BOTH. I even have an idea on how the two can be merged into one puzzle. Off to make a real simple pic.

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wwwmwww wrote:
Off to make a real simple pic.


I took this topic here:

http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=18140&p=222490

as I felt I was straying too far off topic.

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As most of my other puzzles, this puzzle can be bought from as DIY kit from Shapeways or completely finished directly from me. The price is $270/€250: click here to buy your Compy Skewb from Tom's Puzzles on Shapeways
Is the $ / € relation fixed here? The exchange rate I've found today is 1.29, that means 270 $ = 209.30 €. Is there really a point in the order process where I can make the (not very intelligent :) ) decision to pay € 250?

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Well, unfortunately you're forced to pay the €250 rather than the $270.
The difference is that the EUR price includes 19% VAT, while the US price doesn't. My reasoning is that people from the EU (who are required to pay this tax) are likely to look at the EUR price while non-EU people will look at the US price.

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TomZ wrote:
Well, unfortunately you're forced to pay the €250 rather than the $270.
The difference is that the EUR price includes 19% VAT, while the US price doesn't. My reasoning is that people from the EU (who are required to pay this tax) are likely to look at the EUR price while non-EU people will look at the US price.
Actually, it is not so important for me, because if I buy it, I'll buy it from you directly. I have started the Shapeways order process and the $ 270 + 19% (Shapeways knows that I'm German :) ) was calculated at € 261.84.
I have stopped the order process there, because I did not want buying it really.
So far, I could not choose € 250 tax included.

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Thank you everybody for the kind comments.

The €250 is really an estimate. Shapeways' exchange rates aren't really up to date.

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:41 pm 
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This puzzle looks beautiful! and it turns very smooth for the complexity and thin parts of the puzzle. great design!

Sorry I couldn't believe I didn't post in this topic before o_O

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:16 pm 
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Wow, this really is fantastic! The movement looks very nice and smooth.

And I love the name. :)

Congrats, Tom.

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:27 pm 
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Wow! Very clever. I didn't notice the non-trivial tips until I read some of the comments here, and a quick re-read of your original post.

Beautiful puzzle!

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 Post subject: Re: The Compy Skewb
PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:08 pm 
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I have ordered one as a perfect company for my
- Dino from SmaZ
- Compy Cube from Jason
- Dino Skewb from Tom
- Master Skewb from Andrew
Thanks to everybody! :D :D :D
(I have to thank many more builders, but this is the thread of the Compy Skewb. So I will not mention the Curvy Copter, the wonderful Helicopter from Jason .... :D :D :D )

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