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 Post subject: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:10 am 
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I just ordered a white floppy with textured stickers on Ebay for 6 bucks and free shipping(YES!!!!!!). Has anyone here ever even heard of such a thing??
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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:14 am 
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Yea, it's just a knock off floppy cube.

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:14 am 
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Yes, I have heard of such a thing. It's called a Knock-Off Floppy Cube. The legit ones are made of black plastic and have smooth stickers.


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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:18 am 
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I have one and all I can tell is that the quality and the finish is near nought.
I think I am in a position to tell, having an original made by Okamoto as well as several Gentosha originals.

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:25 pm 
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near nought meaning bad or good??
lol my vocabulary sucks :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
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I think nought means horrible.

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
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meh... whatever. i looked at the pic and it looks like the center bending was eliminated with the turns so it cant be that bad.
and besides, 6 BUCKS MAN!!!!!! lol better that $21.75 XD

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
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Kevster11 wrote:
it looks like the center bending was eliminated with the turns


That's impossible. The centres have to bend in order for the puzzle to function.

Also, AFAIK Meffert's sells the originals for $16 with free shipping. Better than $21.75 and better quality than $6 :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:32 pm 
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Maybe it uses a smaller version of the center bending covered up by an outer cubie shell.


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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
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With nought I meant bad.

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:46 pm 
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Kevster11 wrote:
meh... whatever. ... and besides, 6 BUCKS MAN!!!!!! lol better that $21.75 XD
Whatever indeed.

You could get it for free if you steal one from someone.

If you aren't comfortable stealing objects, I bet you might be able to pay a friend less than six bucks to steal one for you.

If you aren't comfortable buying stolen property, perhaps you can buy something made by a company that didn't steal the puzzle, but stole the puzzle design from Mr. Okamoto.

Or you could mow a lawn and buy the real thing, and be happy knowing you aren't stealing or paying someone who has stolen. *And* get a top quality puzzle.

Whatever.

Dave :) :(

P.S. You wouldn't be the first to buy a knock off, lured in by a cheap price. I have a number of fake ES keychain 2x2x2s from Deal Extreme for that very reason. In hindsight I should have figured a price that low would mean it was a fake. My point here is not to give you a hard time for buying it, but to challenge the "whatever" part. Once you know the ramifications of your purchase, how you act in the future is the ethical question. I hope this information is helpful in that regard.

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:58 pm 
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DLitwin wrote:
Kevster11 wrote:
meh... whatever. ... and besides, 6 BUCKS MAN!!!!!! lol better that $21.75 XD
Whatever indeed.

You could get it for free if you steal one from someone.

If you aren't comfortable stealing objects, I bet you might be able to pay a friend less than six bucks to steal one for you.

If you aren't comfortable buying stolen property, perhaps you can buy something made by a company that didn't steal the puzzle, but stole the puzzle design from Mr. Okamoto.

Or you could mow a lawn and buy the real thing, and be happy knowing you aren't stealing or paying someone who has stolen. *And* get a top quality puzzle.

Whatever.

Dave :) :(

P.S. You wouldn't be the first to buy a knock off, lured in by a cheap price. I have a number of fake ES keychain 2x2x2s from Deal Extreme for that very reason. In hindsight I should have figured a price that low would mean it was a fake. My point here is not to give you a hard time for buying it, but to challenge the "whatever" part. Once you know the ramifications of your purchase, how you act in the future is the ethical question. I hope this information is helpful in that regard.

So true. When I found out about KOs I stopped buying them right away. As a beginning cuber, it is EXTREMELY misleading. I just simply wish all KO's would be fund illegal and removed from sites such as ebay. It is a horrible thing and so misleading.

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:52 am 
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The centers dont bend I saw the picture


As to the "whatever" issue, your saying that you've never bought a knockoff or downloaded music illegally or watched tv shows online?? lol
I guess I just bought it because Im obsessed with white cubes and the cheap price owns. ;)


~Kevin

EDIT: Sausage i never posted a link or picture there lol
EDIT2: i removed the unnecessary [removed] because there was nothing there

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:20 am 
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I never bught the floppy cube, how do they keep the corners on?


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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
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RoboticFresca wrote:
I never bught the floppy cube, how do they keep the corners on?

the centers bend

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
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Bigandrewgold wrote:
RoboticFresca wrote:
I never bught the floppy cube, how do they keep the corners on?

the centers bend

now I see, thanks


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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
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Kevster11 wrote:
As to the "whatever" issue, your saying that you've never bought a knockoff or downloaded music illegally or watched tv shows online?? lol




I would believe him if he said he hasn't.

And watching TV online isn't illegal. http://www.Hulu.com is a great legal TV/Movie viewing site.

And... Most people don't think this is funny.

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
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Kevster11 wrote:
As to the "whatever" issue, your saying that you've never bought a knockoff or downloaded music illegally or watched tv shows online?? lol
I guess I just bought it because Im obsessed with white cubes and the cheap price owns. ;)

2 wrongs don't make a right, even if someone else does it, it doesn't mean that you should! thats not an argument

and i've never bought a KO just because its white, so why should you?

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:17 pm 
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okay you guys win but can we just leave this topic alone now? all its doing is sparking a big arguement(or maybe its me sorry) :(

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:33 pm 
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I thanks those of you who don't liek knockoffs. I regret it everytime I buy one, but I have money, I just need it for more things, other than puzzles. I hope to buy originals of all my KO's eventually, especially the V-Cubes. But I feel it is worth the down in quality, if you need the cheap price. But expect the scold of this forum. Noone here who speaks *LOVES* KO's. Also, intend to buy the original eventually, because it will be worth it.

Now, on to my rant of your morals.

The original Rubik's cube once upon a time HAD A PATENT, contrary to belief that it never did. When it's patent expired, more companies began making cubes. People HERE bought these cubes and justified there theivry because the pantent had expired.

Now to the Present:

The Gigaminx, or royal Skewb or the Ghost Cube, NEVER had a patent. However if a cube today was to be made without the consent of the patentless creator, they would be scourn.

WHAT IS THE BLOODY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BUYING A KO RUBIK'S CUBE AND A KO GHOST CUBE??? END YOUR MORAL FORCES BECAUSE NOONE HERE CAN SAY THEY HAVEN'T BOUGHT A KNOCK OFF RUBIK'S CUBE, EVEN A DIY, EVEN ONE WITH A DIFFERENT MECH LIKE TYPE A, WOULD HAVE INFRINGED ON THE RUBIK'S PATENT, AND THE KO'S OF CUSTOM PUZZLES DON'T EVEN DO THAT. JUST BECAUSE A CREATOR HASN'T BECOME WELL KNOWN SHOULDN'T MAKE THERE PUZZLE AUTOMATICALLY ANYMORE MORALLY UNCOPIABLE THAN THE RUBIK'S CUBE!!!

I think I am done...


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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:42 pm 
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Guys, perhaps it is time to move the discussion to this thread.

By the way, I have not downloaded music I didn't purchase. But that isn't the point, and I have violated proper use of content in other ways so I am not claiming perfection. Read the above linked thread for details (particularly the end of this post) and a much more in depth discussion on the matter.

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
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Blazemann, Cool it. Seriosuly- You get way too heated on this subject. Something I wouldn't expect considering your username, actually.

And to your caps locked paragraph, The Rubik's cube patent has expired. Therefore- it isn't illegal. And most purchased are not a disrespect to the owner- because they are better then what Seventowns markets.

The wright brothers invented the plane (Something everyone who flies should have immense graitude for) , but we fly in jets because they are much better. If that makes sense.

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Blazemann, why don't you stay out of topics like this. You make yourself look like an ass.

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Not saying who's right or wrong...

but come on guys - attacks to each other? Take it off the forum, go to PM's.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: white floppy cube??????
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I'll agree with Reeeech here, let's get it out of this thread. I suggested one above.

Although his presentation leaves something to be desired, there is an interesting argument to be made regarding the ethics of copying products that have had their exclusive time via the patent process vs. those that did not.
Let's have that discussion (minus the negative parts) in the proper place. I'll start.

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The funny thing is, I could tell immediately that Blazemann was angry, but after reading the post through 5 times I STILL can't work out what on earth he was actually trying to say: is he against KOs? Or trying to justify them? I really can't tell.

Perhaps calming down first would have made it easier to make a clear and compelling point to add to the discussion, rather than shock everyone with an incoherent emotional outburst. :twisted: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Blazemann, Cool it. Seriosuly- You get way too heated on this subject. Something I wouldn't expect considering your username, actually.

And to your caps locked paragraph, The Rubik's cube patent has expired. Therefore- it isn't illegal. And most purchased are not a disrespect to the owner- because they are better then what Seventowns markets.

The wright brothers invented the plane (Something everyone who flies should have immense graitude for) , but we fly in jets because they are much better. If that makes sense.


I don't want to add to it because I was already asked to move to eithcs topic if I want to talk more, so I will only say that you misunderstood what I was saying. Read the eithics topic soon, I will be makign a post explaining my post.


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