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 Post subject: Re: Jason's Petaminx - (was "Common Household Spiders?)
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:15 am 
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You're nuts. It looks great.

I wonder if anyone would bother with building an examinx if someone posted the files.

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I don't even know what to say about all these wondeful, new puzzles! Fantastic work, Jason!

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I wonder if anyone would bother with building an examinx if someone posted the files.
Don't tempt the Puzzle Gods! Drew probably already has the files.

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 Post subject: Re: Jason's Petaminx - (was "Common Household Spiders?)
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Looks very nice :D .

I would also like to see it at the next meetup. How big is one edge along the curve (vertex to vertex)? How much does it weigh? How stable is the design? Is the spider big enough to have its own health bar? :P

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Drewseph wrote:
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where is drew in all this? doesn't he want to see the new puzzle? its his baby after all


I've been updated nearly every day on his progress including pics and a video. but you'll see a better one (video) soon. in any case I've known all along, so this post is boring me.

Psh, this puzzle is actually pretty badly designed and built.


oh..... well, i didnt have any idea it was every day, and if you are being sarcastic, it was lost on me at first..... but you are builiding your own arent you? and i have a feeling it wont bee too long before we see it, they way you work, id say some time in the next week. ( some of your other posts hint at some new casting techniques..... cmon, just tell me if you are making one or not, please :wink: )

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When Drew says you will see a " better one" soon, I think he is just saying that you will soon see a better video than the one I sent him directly which he has already seen. In that video, the puzzle wasn't stickered yet, and I just made a few turns. I don't think he's talking about another petaminx build.

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in all honesty im not trying to be argumentative i swear. but i think we are both correct. of course, in his omnipotence he may come down from the heavens and smash my theory to pieces with a gold stellated teraminx, but i believe he is making one, its a half hunch/ half evidence thing. but i cant wait to see the videos nonetheless. you did a great job and i think its a beautiful minx. and i cant wait for more of them to be built, (hopefully drew shows up with a peta v2 thats the size of a grapefruit and turns like it was full of butter)

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Amazing! I was banned from the computer so i missed this earlier :x

How long did the stickering take?

Looks very stable and well aligned! Great work!


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 Post subject: Re: Jason's Petaminx - (was "Common Household Spiders?)
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Superb. Amazing build quality. It looks like it will work pretty well. I can't wait to see a video.

Three key factors would stop me building one.

I couldn't design it. Great design work Drewseph.

My casting skills are not up to it. (Still improving though).

There is absolutely no way in this world or any other that I would have the patience and determination to (a) cast nearly 1000 pieces (b) assemble it (c) sticker it. For that alone, a one-person build of this quality deserves..... well I'm not sure what.... certainly the acclamation of everybody here.

Congratulations io!

......there is also no way I would have the patience to solve it. The very thought is putting me off my lunch!


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I would like to know one thing.

What was the greatest success for you Jason? The Pentultimate or the Petaminx?

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Danny Devitt wrote:
I don't even know what to say about all these wondeful, new puzzles! Fantastic work, Jason!

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I wonder if anyone would bother with building an examinx if someone posted the files.
Don't tempt the Puzzle Gods! Drew probably already has the files.


He already posted a picture of all the parts of the examinx in the project petaminx topic.

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ndgamer4life wrote:
in all honesty im not trying to be argumentative i swear. but i think we are both correct.


You are quite wrong, and Jason is quite right.

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Holy....

Very nice!!

I am impatiently waiting for a video!!


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 Post subject: Re: Jason's Petaminx - (was "Common Household Spiders?)
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Drewseph wrote:
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in all honesty im not trying to be argumentative i swear. but i think we are both correct.


You are quite wrong, and Jason is quite right.


well, theres no golden stellated teraminx, but its about what i actually expected anyway =(

cant wait to see that vid though :D

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For Drewseph's teraminx V2 it was about 2.5 times more expensive.

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Wow!

Amazing build Io
Flawless


By the way, how many possibilities is there?


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By the way, how many possibilities is there?


‚ąě :D

Okay seriously, I'd have to say like... 10^500 at least. Whatever it is, I know it's something insane. O.o

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So that means the Petaminx was a success to multiple builders... RACE FOR THE 11-MINX!!! :D

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So that means the Petaminx was a success to multiple builders... RACE FOR THE 11-MINX!!! :D

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eye2eye wrote:
Rentlix wrote:
So that means the Petaminx was a success to multiple builders... RACE FOR THE 11-MINX!!! :D

EXA minx

I'm bad with the naming part. But I thought my point would be made more obviously saying 11 rather than exa.

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Alokin wrote:
Wow!
By the way, how many possibilities is there?


If I've done my math correctly (and properly figured out how to get Excel to crunch the numbers) the possibilities for the -minx family are:
mega/pro 1.007 x 10^68
giga 3.648 x 10^263
tera 1.151 x 10^573
peta 3.1647 x 10^996

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bruckhorn, I can verify that your megaminx calculation is correct, though I question the others. For instance, qqwref comes up with a different number for the gigaminx here.

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 Post subject: Re: A huge spider moving. (VIDEO)
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I have added a youtube video link to the top post. And just to be extra redundant, here it is as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLyFqm4D9tI

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 Post subject: Re: A huge spider moving. (VIDEO)
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Awesome, thanks for the video! Even though you only mixed up a few slices, it looked quite daunting! I'm also really impressed with the turning quality, a lot better than I had expected.

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 Post subject: Re: A huge spider moving. (VIDEO)
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The video is awesome! I thought it'd be much stiffer than that.. but it glides like a dream!

Thanks for the vid :D


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Danny Devitt wrote:
bruckhorn, I can verify that your megaminx calculation is correct, though I question the others. For instance, qqwref comes up with a different number for the gigaminx here.

Nah, all the numbers he has are right. I was wrong way back then because I didn't take into account some other parities (that number is 4 times the correct number because I didn't consider wing and corner permutation parities).
By the way the formula for the total number of positions of an n-layer *minx (for petaminx n=4) is:
30! * 20! * 60!^(n^2-1) * 5!^(-12n^2+12n) * 2^(28-n) * 3^19

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 Post subject: Re: A huge spider moving. (VIDEO)
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ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE

That thing actually works. More.............. It works well. I cannot believe that something so complex is so forgiving and stable.

An amazing feat of designing and building. I bet Drewseph is chuffed to bits with this (I'm sure he got a preview of the vid!)

Congratulations to both of you.
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 Post subject: Re: A huge spider moving. (VIDEO)
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lol, it'd take a good day to solve :lol: Give it to Frank Morris and see :wink:


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That thing actually works. More.............. It works well. I cannot believe that something so complex is so forgiving and stable.

Agreed. I was shocked at how stable it was given all of the potential for error in the building/construction process.

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Okay seriously, I'd have to say like... 10^500 at least. Whatever it is, I know it's something insane. O.o


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peta 3.1647 x 10^996


There you have it. :wink:
If this number is right, then there are 10^496 times the number of permutations that you guessed. A number no human will ever be able to understand. Let alone the 10^996 itself.
Guessing with exponents especially in this range is actually pretty useless.
You would think 10^500 is about 10^501 but then you notice, well it's not at all it is infact 10 times more!
Insane to think of it.

Anyway the video is so awesome. Perfect puzzle.
And yes you should scramble it. I think it shouldn't take more than 30 hours to solve.
You would have a stopwatch for that puzzle and to make sure write down all the times.
And after some weeks or so you would be done solving. I think spending more than 3 hours a day solving it would be not fun any more.
Anyway. At the end you would put into your signature: PETAMINX: 27:15:46.62 hrs

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Well, I WAS atheist, but after seeing this... ... ...*worships*

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Very very awesome... It looks just as good moving as the teraminx! But you might want to put it under a magnifying glass while solving it, those pieces are sooo tiny! Congratulations on completely finishing this one first!

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I want someone to truly calculate the total number of permutiations.


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Blazemann wrote:
I want someone to truly calculate the total number of permutiations.

Somebody already did:
bruckhorn wrote:
peta 3.1647 x 10^996

Or, if you want to do it yourself:
qqwref wrote:
By the way the formula for the total number of positions of an n-layer *minx (for petaminx n=4) is:
30! * 20! * 60!^(n^2-1) * 5!^(-12n^2+12n) * 2^(28-n) * 3^19


EDIT: Basically, the total number of permutations is approximately:
3164700000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

If I copy-pasted right, that's 3.1647 * 10^996
...y'know, give or take a few googles. XD

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Do we even have words to say that number?

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It is well in excess of a Centillion(10^303 short-scale, 10^600 long-scale), which is where most lists of big number end(excluding Googolplex). Extending beyond a Centillion, I would dub the number of possibilities as little more than Three tricentuntrigintillion(assuming I have the right multiple of 3 zeros) in the short-scale.

So the Question is: How many possibilities do the theoretical Exa- Zetta- and Yotta-minxes have? And will we ever see them in physical form?

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while this is an awesome discussion we're getting off topic.

Anyone want to hear about how his Petaminx was destroyed?

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Did he drop kick it?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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I would Definitely like to hear how is petaminx was destroyed!

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Petaminx was destroyed?


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WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!!?! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Anyone want to hear about how his Petaminx was destroyed?

Well now you have everyone's attention...
:shock: :shock: :shock:

BTW, Jason- absolutely fantastic. I just watched the video and I am surprised at how nicely it turns.


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It went just like this.

My one year old must have thought it was a ball. He was pretty excited and apparently he's got quite an arm.

The puzzle flew about 5 feet to hit the hardwood floor. The two centers that took the impact had to be replaced.

Before anyone worries too much, remember this happened BEFORE I made the video. So all is well. But there were a few delirious hours in the early morning last night.


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HAHA, i love the look of your son's face in the first picture.

And as i have already told you, it looks wonderful. Now i'm glad you were able to fix it expediently!

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the last picture should not be viewed by small children :D

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Jason- is that a "version 2" petaminx? As in, Drew's second design with the inner shell? From that last pic, I would have expected to be able to see all the way into the center of the puzzle.


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 Post subject: Re: Jason's Petaminx (with VIDEO)
PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:18 am 
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no, no shell, it had the edge and corners in place those would prevent you from seeing in

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