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 Post subject: Drewseph's Master Skewb
PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:14 am 
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So after designing a master Tetrahedron I finally decided to apply the mechanism to a cube and make a Master Skewb.
I had all the parts printed in FDM thanks to Printo3d and now we have a completely workable puzzle.

I believe this is only #2 in the world, and I'm surprised how this hasn't been done yet. The turning o this build is beautiful,and is very smooth.

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Incredible Drew! This is by far my favorite puzzle of yours!

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That is awesome! The weird thing is that i was thinking about the master skewb today. Very nice job.

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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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Wow. :shock: Will you ever stop pumping out these great puzzles Drew? ;)


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WOW! That is unreal.
Congratulations on yet another amazing puzzle!


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OH. MY. GOD.

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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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This is great to see! Wonderful work again, Drew. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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:x Dang you just beat me! :cry:

I have a design ready and waiting to be printed, I just needed to decide where to get it printed.
So... 59 pieces right (6 unique)? :wink:
How big is it?
How much did it cost? (I am thinking about asking PrintTo3D as well)
Did use a design other than type D from Katsuhiko Okamoto's site?
(I ask this because it seems that some of your face pieces are slightly rectangular - it's a nice touch if so)

Very nicely done!
Hopefully I can have my ready soon to compare? Maybe... :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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The puzzle is 55 pieces.

It cost $400 to make a full print. the size is 60mm per edge, and the middle row had to be slightly rectangular in order for the center caps to fit into the screw hole. this is not based on the type D, its based on V-cube adapted mechanism.

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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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Oh i see.
I don't use caps in my design (which will only work in theory, I haven't tried it yet remember) so I hadn't thought about that. It sounds very interesting. I'm sure I'm not alone in asking for mech pictures!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Thanks for providing this puzzling community with such amazing puzzle videos and designs. Keep up the amazing building.



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(Hmmm 55 pieces? So there's definitely 50 visible, 1 for the core so that means 4 internal pieces left, I wonder did you use a tetrahedral core instead of octahedral like I was thinking???? :shock: )


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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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the Core is identical to my Tetrahedron.

PM me about your core details please.

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Incredible stuff!

You're certainly ending the year in style :)


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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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You finally did it!! :P You know I was aching for this to be built by someone else than Okamoto. I don't mind that there are rectangles and squares on the sites as opposed to Okamotos Master Skewb which has only same sized squares everywhere. Yours looks maybe even better because of that I am not sure yet. :? :D
Anyway it's great. It's one of my favorites of your builts and so much more beautiful than the Master Tetrahedron I think.
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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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This is indeed awesome!

I'm having serious trouble visualizing the master tetrahedron in this.

Great build!! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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The Man!

I have been waiting for this ever since you showed your first designs for the master tetrahedron. This is great I love it!

There are so many "master" mods you could do with this mech:

Master Skewb Ultimate
Master {Loads of the Tony Fisher skewb mods}
Master Thomas Cube (did that get renamed?)
Master Skewskewb! With a bit of luck I might even get round to that one before you!

I know it is "only" a reskinning of your early puzzle; but this REALLY needed doing.

Great work.


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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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A fantastic surprise! Too late for puzzle of the year??? :wink:

You should really update your signature image!

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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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Love it! Love it! Love it! Just a sec, one more time. Love it!

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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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im suprised no one has said it whens the elite skewb coming :) anyways fantastic drew amazing

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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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pierce wrote:
im suprised no one has said it whens the elite skewb coming :) anyways fantastic drew amazing


I have the files, just waiting for the funds =)

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Drewseph wrote:
pierce wrote:
im suprised no one has said it whens the elite skewb coming :) anyways fantastic drew amazing


I have the files, just waiting for the funds =)


cant wait to see it

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I think you should definitely add this puzzle to your photo in your signature drew. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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Drewseph wrote:
I believe this is only #2 in the world, and I'm surprised how this hasn't been done yet. The turning o this build is beautiful,and is very smooth.

Only 2 in the world?
Didn't know they where that rare / Hard to make!
Quite an impressive deed then, indeed! :-) Congratulations

Would the mechanism required for a lattice cube (Puzzle 3.2.7 * on Gelatinebrain) harder to make than this one, or easier?


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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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Nice! I like it more than the tetrahedron, if I'm brutally honest!

The lattice cube is a dino cube, with extensions. Or something :P

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Nice! I like it more than the tetrahedron, if I'm brutally honest!

The lattice cube is a dino cube, with extensions. Or something :P

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the lattice cube is kinda like a master dino cube

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Wow. Fantastic job.


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 Post subject: Re: Drewseph's Master Skewb
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Looks really cool (although the color scheme is sort of bizarre XD), and congrats on making a working version of such a tricky puzzle. I'd like to play with one of these someday.

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OH. MY. GOD.

Noah: the year ain't over yet ;)


This a very nice puzzle but not new. Katsuhiko Okamoto made the first one a couple of years ago

http://puzzle3d.hp.infoseek.co.jp/masterskewb.html


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Its too bad there isn't a video to show how stable his build is. or internal mechanism. I wish he were around the forum to show us.

In any case this build is solid and stable.

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OH. MY. GOD.

Noah: the year ain't over yet ;)


This a very nice puzzle but not new. Katsuhiko Okamoto made the first one a couple of years ago

http://puzzle3d.hp.infoseek.co.jp/masterskewb.html


true, but the mechanism is different for them

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I'm sure one of you can answer this, as I'm still confused. On Okamoto's site it say's "Type D" on the Master Skewb design with pictures? Does this mean Okamoto's Master Skewb is made from a Type D 3x3? I'm assuming this is not the case, but I'm rather perplexed all the same. :P


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aliengrey wrote:
I'm sure one of you can answer this, as I'm still confused. On Okamoto's site it say's "Type D" on the Master Skewb design with pictures? Does this mean Okamoto's Master Skewb is made from a Type D 3x3? I'm assuming this is not the case, but I'm rather perplexed all the same. :P


I'm gonna make a wild stab and say that its not made from a type D 3x3 :P maybe there were 3 other versions that didn't work out

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pierce wrote:
aliengrey wrote:
I'm sure one of you can answer this, as I'm still confused. On Okamoto's site it say's "Type D" on the Master Skewb design with pictures? Does this mean Okamoto's Master Skewb is made from a Type D 3x3? I'm assuming this is not the case, but I'm rather perplexed all the same. :P


I'm gonna make a wild stab and say that its not made from a type D 3x3 :P maybe there were 3 other versions that didn't work out


Wow, I just remembered Drew's is made from the V-Cube Mechanism. I don't think there's any way Okamoto's puzzle could be made from a 3x3 core then. That's just me not thinking straight. :P :oops:


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I think the four types of designs were to compare how they look. Type A is obviously not, that's just to show the relationship to a dino cube. He is merely pointing out that a dino cube could be considered a master skewb of sorts if you define a master skewb to have two sets of parallel rotation planes in an octahedral pattern (skewb has 1 rotation plane in an octahedral pattern).

Anyway the other 3 designs are just drawings of different mathematically "balanced" to compare how they would look. You could make a 3x3x3 cube for example with the outer layers wider than the center pieces, but that wouldn't look as asthetically pleasing as having all pieces square. Okamoto just showed the other patterns he tried before he decided to realize a Master Skewb with all face pieces perfectly square. Types B and C were never realized but would've internally been identical to Type D, which is what he built.

At least that's what I think he meant ;)
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Amazing! Looks like a very clean build, just like all your other builds :P Have a cube: :solved:

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Door wrote:
Amazing! Looks like a very clean build, just like all your other builds :P Have a cube: :solved:



It is made entirely of 3d printed parts, so it better be clean =)

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I believe Okamoto-san's types are intended to compare the various slicing options one has when designing a master skewb. They do not refer to any DIY core types. Okamoto indicates that he chose the 'D' slicing scheme which results in a grid of equal squares on the faces. Drew's choice looks like type 'B' - a square center on the face, surrounded by rectangles, dividing the cube into 3 slices of equal volumes (if I'm interpreting Okamoto correctly).
The type 'C' slicing would be chosen to divide each edge into equal thirds. Seems like a matter of aesthetics.

Maybe Drew can say whether there are any specific reasons behind his choice of slicing scheme...

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Type D results in the corners having hardly anything to hold onto the the center core, the mechanism becomes way too fragile in imo to have invested $400 into. the main issue is that the corners neck becomes thinner than the screw hole. the hole itself is so small, I prefer the neck to reach around the hole so the plug I insert into it is not visible once the corner caps are inserted.

I don't know how stable his design was, since he doesn't like to talk about it, but this is the reason I chose type 'B"

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Drewseph wrote:
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Amazing! Looks like a very clean build, just like all your other builds :P Have a cube: :solved:



It is made entirely of 3d printed parts, so it better be clean =)


The stickers are clean, is what i mean :D :lol:

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Hi :-)

I see a simply 3-stage solution to this puzzle.

1 - position the 6 "face centers"
2 - position the "intermediate" cubies to make up crosses on all the 6 faces
3 - solve the outer edges

All this can be done commutatir style. Corners tips are free 8-)

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Just interested: Is it going to be for sale on Bedardpuzzles?
Or do you intend to cast some other ones of it in the first place?

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Incredible Drew! This(Master Skewb) is by far my favorite puzzle of yours!

Teraminx? Meh, your opinion...


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The teraminx is mostly when you think about how much work went into it. As far as solving it goes, if you can solve a Gigaminx then you can solve a Tera... So no real challenge there. The Master Skewb though is just impressive on all levels. The design work, the look of the puzzle, and it is super hard to solve as well :)

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I went ahead and emailed Katsuhiko Okamoto to see if he had a video of his or could make one and here is what he had to say. I don't think he would mind me sharing this:

http://homepage3.nifty.com/puzzle_cube/master-skewb.html
http://i4no.main.jp/msd.html

So I take it that he made 7 and sold them all. His links contain several pictures that I haven't seen before including one that contains a hint of the internal mechanism.

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And I really like some of the pretty patterns posted... like this one:

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Hi :-)

I see a simply 3-stage solution to this puzzle.

1 - position the 6 "face centers"
2 - position the "intermediate" cubies to make up crosses on all the 6 faces
3 - solve the outer edges

All this can be done commutatir style. Corners tips are free 8-)

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I don't think the corner tips are free...

To solve it I use:
1) Any skewb solution for corners & centers
2) Edges with 8-move commutators (ie, 3+1+3+1)
3) "intermediate" (I called them "face") pieces with 8-move commutators

Specifically, I have a solution on my website. It's listed in the common name index. 8-)

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I'm not familiar with this type of mod. Is it a shape-shifting puzzle?

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its not a mod. its a new puzzle. a different mechanism had to be created to make it. it does not shape shift

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