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 Post subject: Stl files fore sale! (Puzzle and feature added!)
PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:40 pm 
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Hello!

I'm gonna sell some .STL files.

Actually, I would like to make them but I'm missing money, so I prefer sharing them with you!

Ok, I've changed the ex-format of this message because it was really huge so... I've added a Catalogue!
Like that, you'll see them better and you will be able to download the catalogue :)


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(You can see the modification done at the March 6th here: http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopi ... 11#p150711 :)

Also, if the pictures you see are wavy, tell me and I'll send you them you in a format where you will see them correctly!

Actually, they are 10 puzzles in the catalogue!



If you want more information, feel free to ask!


If you want one or need some information, please send me a Pm on the forum or an e-mail at NikolaTutic7 (at) hotmail (dot) com

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,Nikola
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looks great i'd buy it but im fresh out of money
cant wait to see more puzzles :D

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Not to sound negative... but isn't this a fairly simple mod? Just a little bit of truncating...

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Scott Bedard wrote:
Not to sound negative... but isn't this a fairly simple mod? Just a little bit of truncating...



Don't forget extending :D


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Scott Bedard wrote:
Not to sound negative... but isn't this a fairly simple mod? Just a little bit of truncating...


ya but the stl files are only $10 a rubik's brand 3x3 at walmart is $10.99 + tax
but with the stl files you still have to pay for printing, so one way is easier and one is harder

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It'll probably cost about $30-40 to print the four pieces. But then you get an even puzzle. Hand-made, I'd have a hard time making something like this even all the way around on all 3 levels.


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Scott Bedard wrote:
Not to sound negative... but isn't this a fairly simple mod? Just a little bit of truncating...


you're thinking of an octagon cube, Alokin's talking about a cylinder, notice the circle on top, not the octagon

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TheCube wrote:
Scott Bedard wrote:
Not to sound negative... but isn't this a fairly simple mod? Just a little bit of truncating...


you're thinking of an octagon cube, Alokin's talking about a cylinder, notice the circle on top, not the octagon


No, believe me I know which puzzle i'm talking about... But a cylindrical 3x3 seems like a relatively easy build. All you'd really need is a compass, some filler, and sandpaper.

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Nikola, I think it is cute. It can be disguised as a well known
wooden take apart puzzle. And it might be a simple mod,
but we all have to start from somewhere don't we?

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I would never tought that much discussion in that less time!
:mrgreen:

As Pantazis said, there is a beginning for everyone, this is mine. :)

Also, there will be more puzzles! It's just the first one :D

Some more complex, other based on aesthetic, etc.

And I think that make a perfect cylinder handmade is possible, but very hard and it's not everybody that is able to make things like this.


Thanks for all your commentary's guys! :D

,Nikola
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 Post subject: Re: .Stl files fore sale (New puzzle added on 4/10!)
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Hello guys! :mrgreen:

I've added a new puzzle!

I've also put a lot more pictures (for him and the cylinder)

Enjoy :)

,Nikola

P.s.: Check the first message to see it ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Stl files fore sale (New puzzle and pictures added on 5/10!)
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Are the extensions fully functioning? Otherwise I see little point in 3D printing something that simple.

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Sure! :)

What would be the point if it wasn't? :wink:

,Nikola

P.s.: I've added a note so people will know it's FF

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professorcube5x5 wrote:
Are the extensions fully functioning? Otherwise I see little point in 3D printing something that simple.


Yes read and watch pictures :D
I think the mechanism is like a 3x3x5 on those tops

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That second one is a very interesting puzzle! How do those extended pieces turn, yet remain able to be separated?


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flambore wrote:
That second one is a very interesting puzzle! How do those extended pieces turn, yet remain able to be separated?


I would guess something similar to the 2x2x6 cube (made from the Rubik's 4x4x4)


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 Post subject: Re: Stl files fore sale (New puzzle and pictures added on 5/10!)
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Thanks everyone for your comments!

Effectively it looks quite like a 2x2x6.

It works like this:

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But for the centre I needed to use another form of cap so it can work.

Check:

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You need to clip it (with the spindles) and glue it.


Thanks again everyone!

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Alokin wrote:
Thanks everyone for your comments!

Effectively it looks quite like a 2x2x6.

It works like this:

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But for the centre I needed to use another form of cap so it can work.

Check:

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You need to clip it (with the spindles) and glue it.


Thanks again everyone!

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Ah cool. It reminds me of the button cube.


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 Post subject: Re: Stl files fore sale (New puzzle and pictures added on 5/10!)
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Thanks everybody for your comments! :D

Bounb wrote:
Ah cool. It reminds me of the button cube.


Never seen it :o

Ok, so the extended puzzle just got an identity :P
I've gave this "responsibility" to Flambore ;)
So he's called the Knob Cube
Actually, I think it sounds good :roll:

I've also writing a complete guide for building them, so if you take one, you'll get nice file explaining everything if you take one.

,Nikola
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 Post subject: Re: Stl files fore sale (The extended puzzle got a name :P )
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This is the button cube: http://twistypuzzles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10684.
It did remind me of the button cube, but they are two very different puzzles. The button cube locks the puzzle from being rotated in certain directions, depending on the scramble. Kinda like a bandaged cube or something.


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The second puzzle seems like it would have 1 very critical flaw, maybe i'm wrong though.

It rotates while in the 2x2x1 position, AND the center has to be solved like a super cube before allowing any rotation.

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Center parity could be an issue but not really. Depending on how the puzzle was stickered the problem would be instantly identifiable. The scrambling 2x2 blocks add an interesting element even if they're a bit limited.

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Bounb wrote:
Ah cool. It reminds me of the button cube.


That IS the button cube! Just the half-button has been split so there is no bandanging, and extended to form cubies.

The pieces are attached in EXACTLY the same orientation on the main cube in EXACTLY the same way.

I don't know if any of these have been built (I don't know if it should be covered by the "not without my permission, I built it first") idea, but it is SO similar, I feel I may at least have some moral rights here.

By the look of it, the extensions will have some problems with popping/ breaking as they look, as does the prototype button cube.

The STL files I have created to remake a new button cube (not yet printed) will not have this problem due to redesign :wink:

I have to say, I would prefer if this offer was taken down; I have spent alot of time and money developing this puzzle, and do not have the finances to continue if I cannot recoup some money from sales.

I don't know what others think?

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 Post subject: Re: Stl files fore sale (The extended puzzle got a name :P )
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I agree it is the same as the Button Cube apart from the lack of bandaging of the extensions - I thought so before I got this far down the thread. Are we in the grey area of a second person having an existing idea independently as Alokin suggests when he says "never seen it"?

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Bounb wrote:
Ah cool. It reminds me of the button cube.


That IS the button cube! Just the half-button has been split so there is no bandanging, and extended to form cubies.

The pieces are attached in EXACTLY the same orientation on the main cube in EXACTLY the same way.

I don't know if any of these have been built (I don't know if it should be covered by the "not without my permission, I built it first") idea, but it is SO similar, I feel I may at least have some moral rights here.

By the look of it, the extensions will have some problems with popping/ breaking as they look, as does the prototype button cube.

The STL files I have created to remake a new button cube (not yet printed) will not have this problem due to redesign :wink:

I have to say, I would prefer if this offer was taken down; I have spent alot of time and money developing this puzzle, and do not have the finances to continue if I cannot recoup some money from sales.

I don't know what others think?

Cheers,

Tim


This is not a copy of your puzzle. Alokin made extended cubies that are more near of the 3x3x5 than your button cube. For the placing of the extensions, There is only one way to get each of the extensions do not touch the others. Also, the extensions do not block any movement of the 3x3x3. The principle of movement is probably near of your puzzle (there are not so many possibilities to make the extensions), but the puzzle is NOT your puzzle in a stl file.

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and besides, they were both developed independently from eachother, there was no copying

look, TBTTyler was the first to make a gigaminx, he based it off the eastsheen 5x5 (right?), but what if when Drewseph came out his his gigaminx (eastsheen v-cube mix... i think) he immediately offered his masters to people, does Tyler have a right to reject, after all, they were developed independently and the mechanisms were different...

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 Post subject: Re: Stl files fore sale (The extended puzzle got a name :P )
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I agree with you guys- no disrespect to the button cube and the efforts you put into it, but Alokin did not specifically target the button cube when he made this. In fact, he didn't even know of the button cube when someone mentioned it.

Even Tony says that if a puzzle is similar, but different, and/or was developed independently, it doesn't fall under the moral umbrella.

I can understand your wanting to protect your design, but I truly believe this was developed independently.


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TheCube wrote:
besides, they were both developed independently from eachother, there was no copying


flambore wrote:
no disrespect to the button cube and the efforts you put into it, but Alokin did not specifically target the button cube when he made this. In fact, he didn't even know of the button cube when someone mentioned it.


It isn't a question of copying or targetting at all. In fact, when I first got into puzzle building I designed 7 or 8 skewb mods (on paper) before I even knew of Twisty Puzzles. I only found later that all but one had already been built, mostly by Tony Fisher, so I respected his wishes and didn't build any.

The question is who came up with/ built the design first. I don't agree that the Gigaminx is a comparison, as that is a logical extension of an existing puzzle, which the Button Cube is not. The Knot Cube, IS the button cube with different shaped buttons, granted I bandaged pairs of button cubies and Alokin did not; I considered both ideas and thought bandaging was more interesting, but it is still essentially the same puzzle.

There is a second issue here too. Selling STL files essentially opens up not just one person making the puzzle, but ANYONE can then make and reproduce the puzzle for sale, which totally undercuts any sale potential for me. However, that is another separate matter.

I have always tried to ensure that everything I have built HAS been in some way novel and different. I know that if someone had shown that a "Button Cube" had been developed before mine that was as similar as Alokin's is to mine, I would not have continued development, regardles of whether my idea was developed independently. But, I don't have a monopoly on how puzzle ideas and sales are conducted.

However, I perfectly accept that I have no legal right over an idea, and can only live within what people on this site consider morally correct. I am not telling anyone what they should do, only expressing how I feel things have operated in the past or maybe should operate in the future. If people think Alokin's idea is sufficiently different, I have to live with it.

For me, the bald truth is unfortunately, that if I cannot generate income from sales, I can't afford to build.


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Ok.

Usually if someone don't want any copies of something, it's because he think that it's not ok to make money on the work of someone else, absolutely ok.

But now, if I make any money on this, it's not like if I stoled your idea and if make money on your work, if I make some, it is on my work, it doesn't took 5 minutes to make this for me, it took hours to design this for me, to think of it, make plans, etc.

Why would this undercut sales for you?
The guy which want to make a Knob Cube, he also is gonna need time and money to do this!
The puzzles are not the same, it's not like if I had reproduced your!

Why is this so offending you?

The puzzles are not the same.

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The pieces are attached in EXACTLY the same orientation on the main cube in EXACTLY the same way.


There is only one way to put the pieces and be sure that there is no 2 extensions on the same edge or corner.
Find another one if it's not true :o

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Go over the thing that there is 4 attached pieces on each faces and that they can turn, it is not the same puzzle!.

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With Tim's design I think you could get two buttons per face :)

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With Tim's design I think you could get two buttons per face


Fair point Mark, I did mention that this was something I was considering in the original button cube thread!


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Alokin,

Go ahead and sell the STL files for the Knob CUbe. This is a similar puzzle to the Button CUbe, and I can't say I'm entirely happy, but....

However, I don't want any bad feeling, and I don't want you to be discouraged from continuing to design puzzles. I have PMed you, but thought it best to say "Go ahead" publicly so that it didn't look bad to anyone else if you continued to sell.

Just remember, noone can take away your creativity whatever happens! Keep coming up with more ideas!

Cheers,

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Tim,
I don't think this will affect your sales. Although the mechanisms are similar in concept, I think the novelty of the bandaging and the shape of the button is very appealing.

One major difference between the two puzzles that I can see is that with the Knob Cube, the extensions are probably going to be stickered with the same colors as the layer below it. And that's the only color that will be on that face. With yours, since your buttons are small enough, you can still have the face color, plus the buttons can be a completely different color, adding another dimension to the puzzle that the Knob Cube won't have.

I intend to get both, once you start making yours. And I am willing to bet a good number of collectors will do the same.


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I'll consider since I still havent found a good CAD program.

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Hello! :)

I've just added a new 4 part puzzle.
Check out the first post to see it (Super-X 3x3x3)

Good bye! :)

,Nikola

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Looks great! Can't wait to build one.


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I'd appreciate it if you renamed your "super-x 3x3x3". When I read that I got really excited because I thought you meant this puzzle, which is the super-x but done with a 3x3 instead of a 2x2.

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Ok yeah, it's just that it was reminding me this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSnA_XGV9M

Star 3x3x3, is it ok? :)

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Danny Devitt wrote:
I'd appreciate it if you renamed your "super-x 3x3x3". When I read that I got really excited because I thought you meant this puzzle, which is the super-x but done with a 3x3 instead of a 2x2.


Just thought I'd point out something. Since the "super-x 3x3x3" is directly below a picture of the puzzle itself, I don't really see it being an issue of people getting it confused. Maybe just X-Cube 3x3 or something, although I like the name Super-X.


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Seems appropriately named if you are able to sticker it with the super-x patterns.


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Bradley from PrintTo3D has given me a quote to 3-D print all of the above puzzles. Alokin, feel free to put these in your top post.

Cylinder 3x3 (4 pieces): $36 US
Knob Cube (6 pieces): $55 US
Super-X 3x3x3 (4 pieces): $25 US

In addition, there's a shipping charge. I don't know what it is internationally, but for me in the US, it is $10 per order.


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Thank you Frank for these quotes :)
And sorry for the late respond.

I just want to say you that I will a contract offer soon.
So if there is a puzzle file's you would like to do, I can design it for you (You need to explain the mech, pieces etc so I'll know what to do)
I would keep the puzzle secret and it's gonna be confidential.

Would somebody be interested?
:)

Cheers friends
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Hello guys :D

I've added a brand new puzzle that I called Slice Cube!
It's only 20$ :)
You can see it at the principal (first message)


I hope you enjoy, personally, it's my favourite one by far!!!


Cheers :)
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Wow, the Slice Cube looks very complex. :shock: Very nice job. :D Hopefully I get enough Christmas money to purchase all these great designs. ;)


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Well, I think we'll be seeing that slice cube in about a week. *cough cough flambore cough cough*

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 Post subject: Re: Stl files fore sale (Slice Cube added on 7/12!)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:21 pm 
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I won't say. You'll just have to wait to find out. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Stl files fore sale (Slice Cube added on 7/12!)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:33 pm 
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The Slice Cube looks like "f-squared" by Puzzlemaster42 in this thread viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10361


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 Post subject: Re: Stl files fore sale (Slice Cube added on 7/12!)
PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:48 pm 
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Justin wrote:
The Slice Cube looks like "f-squared" by Puzzlemaster42 in this thread viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10361


Yes, it is the same. A cube rotated 90 degrees about an edge.

This mod will also be in my upcoming mod catalog.

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 Post subject: Re: Stl files fore sale (Drop Cube and Octagonal Prism added!)
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:15 pm 
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Actually, we've got the same idea for the catalogue Adam :)

I'm actually working on a lot of variant from the Slice Cube.

I'll publish the catalogue soon


And,
I've added two cubes everyone :D
I hope you like them, I'm really impressed by the result :)

Cheers
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 Post subject: Re: Stl files fore sale (Drop Cube and Octagonal Prism added!)
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:06 pm 
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I think the drop cube looks more like a leaf, but anyway they look fantastic and will definitly get some of these when I get some money together.

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