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 Post subject: Re: The Mixup Master Skewb...
PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:08 pm 
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Well today seems to be the day to talk about anniversaries and this in now the first anniversary of this thread. And with the help of many members here bringing me up to speed on SolidWorks I now have this puzzle uploaded and with pieces ordered and on their way to me...

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/wwwmwww

Not sure this will work as well as I hope yet but I should know soon and if it does this may become my first Shapeways offering. I'm not near as fast as Oskar but I feel I've come along way in the past year.

I have a 3D PDF I can upload if anyone is interested.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:40 pm 
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WOW, it's already been a year since this was posted!?

It's fantastic that there's finally a design in production. Hope to see a puzzle in due time! :D

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Can't wait to see this! :D

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:18 pm 
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I was thinking about a theoretical different type of Mixup Master Skewb recently... if you look at a spherical Master Skewb, the middle layer pieces make a bunch of trapezoids and rhombi. So... what if you divided the bands into triangles, kind of like Dave's Elemental puzzles?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:30 pm 
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Here is some more info.

A 3D pdf. You can double click on each piece type and isolate it to give you a view of each piece. Before clicking note this is a 14+ MB file.

http://wwwmwww.com/Puzzle/MMSkewb/SMMS_Final.PDF

And with a GREAT BIG THANK YOU to TomZ for his video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0e_BzwSMpQ

I now have a sticker template made as well. Here is that 41+ KB file.

http://wwwmwww.com/Puzzle/MMSkewb/SMMS_Stickers.PDF

Anyone want to offer to print me a set of stickers for a fair price?

Enjoy,
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Jared wrote:
I was thinking about a theoretical different type of Mixup Master Skewb recently... if you look at a spherical Master Skewb, the middle layer pieces make a bunch of trapezoids and rhombi. So... what if you divided the bands into triangles, kind of like Dave's Elemental puzzles?
I think I need a picture.

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http://www.jaapsch.net/puzzles/sphere.h ... 0&symred=3

You'd need to fudge it quite a bit of course...


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Jared wrote:
http://www.jaapsch.net/puzzles/sphere.htm?red=60&symred=3

You'd need to fudge it quite a bit of course...


Ok... I see it now. The same trick I pulled to make the paths cross at 90 degrees could be pulled off to make the paths cross at 60 degrees and then all the triangular pieces would be equilateral triangles with 30 of them in one slice layer. I think its a GREAT puzzle idea but I suspect the turning would be horrible. Maybe it would be better as an app for Gelatinbrain.

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I seemed to notice on your shapeways shop, the core can't turn... Isn't it also supposed to be able to turn like a Master skewb?

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 Post subject: Re: The Mixup Master Skewb...
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RubixFreakGreg wrote:
I seemed to notice on your shapeways shop, the core can't turn... Isn't it also supposed to be able to turn like a Master skewb?
No... this is what I'm calling the SMMS or Slice-turn-only Mixup Master Skewb. The track the slice layer pieces slide in isn't planar so enabling the Skewb type turns is rather problematic. See this animation I posted back on page one.

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That said... the face and corners would just solve like a normal skewb if they did turn and the skewb like turns would give you more freedom or ways to manipulate the slice layer pieces. If we remove that freedom, I'm tempted to think this might actually be the more difficult puzzle. I'm not certain of that.

But thinking along those lines I'm tempted to also offer a Slice-Turn Only Mixup Cube. Without being able to turn the face layers would the Mixup Cube be any more difficult? When someone gets a Mixup Cube its not the challenge of solving the 2x2x2 corners that people are after anyways.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mixup Master Skewb...
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Just a quick update. Puzzle was order on the 11th and in their payment confirmati​on email of that date they stated:

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Your order will be delivered on or before September, 23rd


The next email I got was on the 16th which stated my order was now in production. I still don't have the puzzle and I believe the last puzzle I ordered from them I got a third email telling me my order had been shipped before I got the puzzle. I haven't got that email yet. I was hoping to have something to show this weekend based on the email I got on the 11th but oh well. I'll wait a bit longer before emailing them for a status.

The good news... I got the stickers from Olivér Nagy yesterday and they look great. Just wish I had a puzzle to put them on...

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Don't worry it will come.

Out of all of the orders I have made from shapeways I don't believe I have ever once received one in the time schedule they said it would be there by. It's kind of a let down, but I suppose I can't complain too much.


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I made two orders on the September 11 and one of them was delivered on the 23rd as promised, the other was not. Another order from the 5th (scheduled for the 19th) also arrived the 23rd. I've had orders delivered 5 days early and some two months late.
I wouldn't expect anything this weekend. I've received orders without getting the UPS email but I've never not gotten the shipped notification.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mixup Master Skewb...
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UPDATE!!! It's HERE!!! It came yesterday. And its passed the first test. I was able to get it assembled. However is so stiff I can't turn it at the moment. However I have yet to find my CRC Silicone Spray since my last move. I hope that can fix the movement issue. But I think before I try that I need to take it apart and clear it up and dye things black. But I'll be heading out of town this weekend. So I won't have any new news for a bit.

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CRC Silicone Spray does it again. It takes a puzzle which doesn't turn and turns it into one I'm very very happy with. It still needed quite a bit of breaking in but it's turning better and better each time I play with it. Still need to get stickers applied so I hope to have something I can share soon. Currently running around like a chicken with my head cut off so please be patient.

Oh and despite being able to assemble to puzzle by hand it can't be disassembled by hand. I had to fabricate a simple tool that I could use to pop the pieces out. So you should never have to fear this thing popping. It's almost impossible to take apart. And the design change you can see in the PDF above works great. It is impossible to rotate the edges in place.

I couldn't be more pleased with this one.
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Pics and video! Awesome!

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I can't wait to see it! I'm glad it is working so well!

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 Post subject: Re: The Mixup Master Skewb...
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:41 am 
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Adman234 wrote:
Pics and video! Awesome!

They will be coming. I hope in a new thread in the new puzzle section after I get it stickered. I did bring it into work today to show off and by boss twiddled with it for 30 minutes and now its scrambled. Arg!!! At least it doesn't have stickers on it so I hope I can get it back to a cube without having to take it apart. Its really really hard to take apart but I still have the tool I made at home.

Anyways... I know the normal sickering pattern for a cube is white opposite yellow, red opposite orange, and blue opposite green. But that info alone produced two patterns, one and its morror image. Can someone tell me on the red, white, and blue corner what order the colors are in going clockwise about the corner?

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It should go, clockwise, red, white, blue. At least that is what is shown on the Rubik's website.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mixup Master Skewb...
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Just made this post. In short it looks like Sergey Makarov had the solution to how to keep the edges of a Docter Skewb from rotating in place 20 years ago.

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Very interesting...
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