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 Post subject: Mini 7x7x7 V2
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:17 pm 
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In my last attemption i made a KO violation with the vcube7, i'm sorry for that. But now i did a new mechanism never made before, i think this will work fine and stable
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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:45 pm 
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Interesting, looks great :D

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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:53 pm 
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So will this design stay cubic?

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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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I feel the outer centres and edges do not hook enough behind the centre, making it pop easily.

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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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It should work, but that little tiny anchor on the center could easilly cause problems (like, if the mech seperated from it it would be hard to snap it back in). 3 suggestions:

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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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thank you for the tip!
i think i will make this one:
seems more stable than my old design
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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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The problem, of course, is that as you head these directions towards stability you wind up at the Verdes design.

Likely Verdes' design process was similar, and we know where his design arrived. There is a reason his design is considered the best, and a reason he paid a lot of money for his patents. It seems obvious now but no one in the puzzle world discovered it for decades before him. And even years before he made these internals public people saw his prototypes and couldn't figure out his design.

Don't head these directions or you will wind up right back where you were before, violating his patent. By adding the extra upper flange on the center the lower flange is meaningless. And without that meaningless lower flange you have exactly the Verdes design. Having it as a distinguishing feature to say "This isn't Verdes" is a bit false.

This is what happened with the previous thread: You started out with a design that was distinct, but a few revisions later you were copying the Verdes design. Now you are one meaningless feature away. Any puzzle designer would see what the next revision will be, which ends up exactly where the last thread ended.

Please don't go this direction.

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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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Looks nice!
would like to see the first functional model...

Do you want to 3D print it?

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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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DLitwin wrote:
The problem, of course, is that as you head these directions towards stability you wind up at the Verdes design.


I can see your point, and I'm sorry if I've caused a problem, but I believe this design will be more stable then the Verdes design. The bottom flange holds in the 4th and 6th layers so they can't come out W/O complete disassembly of the puzzle. One type of piece on that layer in the V-cube design can pop very easily, and the bottom flange will prevent that.

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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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Check out Oskar's binary style. This mini 7x7 could benefit from it viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15784


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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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i'm sorry (again) for made a KO, i will try to made it in pagoda or binary style

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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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i'm sorry (again) for made a KO, i will try to made it in pagoda or binary style
I don't think it was yet, but it was certainly headed in that direction with the proposed changes. I like that you were exploring novel designs.

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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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Binary style seems very attractive for SLS prints. It should allow for a lot more empty space in the core, which = a cheaper puzzle!

I look forward to what you come up with :D

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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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Just wondering, have any binary or pagoda puzzles been made other then Oskar's 17x17?

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 Post subject: Re: Mini 7x7x7 V2
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Quirky-Cubes wrote:
Just wondering, have any binary or pagoda puzzles been made other then Oskar's 17x17?

Rubik's 5x5x5. It makes a really cool 3x3x3 if you remove the other pieces.

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