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 Post subject: 3x3x4 jouney (5x5x4 idea also)?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:09 am 
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Hellow everyone, after building several 3x3 shape mods, and a fully functional 2x2x4, i have decided i wanted to build fully functional 3x3x4 using an ES 4x4 as a core, and using the fisher method to fit rubiks 3x3 cubies around it.

i am aware that the ES4x4 is larger than the 3x3 dimensions on a 3x3 and the 3x3x4.(if you know what i am saying...)
so i thaught about removing some material from th3 4 side sides(does that make sense?) of the 4x4, to make sort of like a towered 4x4 shape, and then attatch my modified 3x3 pieces.

i have done some sketches on graph paper, sorry i cant get you pictures, but i have a general idea on how its goingg to work. it will be somewhat similar to building a lim tower, but with more pieces.

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I doubt it's even possible to truncate the 4x4 to the point where you can fit 3x3 cubies around it. Good luck.

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TomZ wrote:
I doubt it's even possible to truncate the 4x4 to the point where you can fit 3x3 cubies around it. Good luck.


thats why i asked you guys if it would work, and your right it probably wouldnt work, but it might, yet it would be difficult. ill do some more math and see what i can do,

but would it be possible to use the fisher method on an ES 5x5 and turn it into a 5x5x4? it would be rather large, but i would like to go for it

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I doubt it's even possible to truncate the 4x4 to the point where you can fit 3x3 cubies around it. Good luck.

It is theoretically possible

here is a 3x4x4 using that method

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 Post subject: Re: 3x3x4 jouney (5x5x4 idea also)?
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i am aware of jins site, and it was very helpful, and thats what got me to start thinking about a 5x5x4

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I doubt it's even possible to truncate the 4x4 to the point where you can fit 3x3 cubies around it. Good luck.

It is theoretically possible

here is a 3x4x4 using that method


Jin's is based on a 3x3 rather than a 4x4.

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TomZ wrote:
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I doubt it's even possible to truncate the 4x4 to the point where you can fit 3x3 cubies around it. Good luck.

It is theoretically possible

here is a 3x4x4 using that method


Jin's is based on a 3x3 rather than a 4x4.


Jin's 3x3x4 is indeed 3x3x3 based. However, the link provided by Bigandrewgold shows Jin's 3x4x4. Wich is indeed made by cutting down te internal 4x4x4. And then building 3x3 cubies around the 4x4 mech. Resulting in a much smaller and in my opinion more elegant puzzle than the 3x4x4 that is made using the regular Fisher method.

Two different puzzles, I know. But I'm pretty sure that Bigandrewgold provided the 3x4x4 link to show that the internal 4x4 can in fact be cut down enough to have three 3x3 cubies built up around it's sides. Just in a different way than you would when building a 3x3x4. (With the 3x3x4 you have to be able to do this with all sides, even the 3x4 sides since the width still has to be that of three 3x3 cubies. With the 3x4x4 its on 4 sides.)

Know that Jin definately did not take the easy way out with his 3x4x4. It turned out absolutely great though.
I see no reason why using this method when building the 3x3x4 would not be possible. However, this is going to be a very precise and tedious build.


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 Post subject: Re: 3x3x4 jouney (5x5x4 idea also)?
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we have a large enough quote chain, so i dont wanna make it any bigger, soim posting this seperate for all of you.

i know that jin useds several 3x3s for his 3x3x4 and i know how it works, by spliting the toungs so two pieces shared them, adn also i know that he used an ES 4x4 for his 4x4x3, what i am am asking is that if you can cut down a 4x4 enough to make a 3x3x4? adn some of you asked that, so thanks.

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Bigandrewgold wrote:
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I doubt it's even possible to truncate the 4x4 to the point where you can fit 3x3 cubies around it. Good luck.

It is theoretically possible

here is a 3x4x4 using that method


It is possible. That is also how tony Fisher made his 3x3x5. I always thought that making a 3x3x4 (Phantom version) mastered me, so I thought that if I would ever make a 3x3x4, it would be the tony fisher way. Good Luck.

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 Post subject: Re: 3x3x4 jouney (5x5x4 idea also)?
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I never used 3x3x3 cubies on any of my cuboids.

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tony how do you feel about the 5x5x4? and if you didnt use 3x3 cubies then what did you use. and will a 3x3x4 from a 4x4 be possible?

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 Post subject: Re: 3x3x4 jouney (5x5x4 idea also)?
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Tony used larger cubies, as 3x3 sized cubes won't fit on an ES 4x4 or 5x5. Either he custom made them or took them from other puzzles.

Jin's uses 3x3 cubies, but he had to severely mod the actual mechanism of the ES to make it fit. This will not be similar to building the slim tower, unless you decide on using larger cubies - which in your case I think is advisable.

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I believe Tony makes his cubies from scratch. Just like my Momma's apple pie.


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Terry wrote:
I believe Tony makes his cubies from scratch. Just like my Momma's apple pie.


i want some of mamma's apple pie :P

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Is it possible to cut down an Eastsheen 4x4x4 enough to make it into a 57mm x 57mm x 76mm 3x3x4 based on the 19mm cubie from a rubik's cube? I think so. I didn't work out the full details of the conversion but I'm 95% sure it will work, or at least I thought so when I gave it some thought a while ago.

The 4x5x5 has already been made by Aleh using the pieces of two ES 4x4x4 puzzles.

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Jin H Kim wrote:
The 4x5x5 has already been made by Aleh using the pieces of two ES 4x4x4 puzzles.

Three ES 4x4x4 cubes. :wink:

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Aleh wrote:
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The 4x5x5 has already been made by Aleh using the pieces of two ES 4x4x4 puzzles.

Three ES 4x4x4 cubes. :wink:


how the heck did you do that, i would love to see some pics of it and the mechanism :shock:

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Arcrobe wrote:
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The 4x5x5 has already been made by Aleh using the pieces of two ES 4x4x4 puzzles.

Three ES 4x4x4 cubes. :wink:


how the heck did you do that, i would love to see some pics of it and the mechanism :shock:


did Aleh actually use a 4x4 core or was it a 5x5 core? Cuz, I think I can see how this would be done with a 5x5 core, but a 4x4 core goes way way over my head.

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did Aleh actually use a 4x4 core or was it a 5x5 core? Cuz, I think I can see how this would be done with a 5x5 core, but a 4x4 core goes way way over my head.


well if he used the fisher method, then there isnt much expaining to do, because that is pretty self explanitory.

but if he revealed hidden layers from the 4x4 just like in the 4x4x5, then i am totaly lost

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Arcrobe wrote:
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The 4x5x5 has already been made by Aleh using the pieces of two ES 4x4x4 puzzles.

Three ES 4x4x4 cubes. :wink:


how the heck did you do that, i would love to see some pics of it and the mechanism :shock:

Can't help you with mechanism pictures, but here's some pictures of the puzzle itself.

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Maybe it's time for Aleh to show how it's made. :wink:

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I see how the 4x5x5 was made, but making it is a different story. I'm sure I know how to build it as well, I just don't know it I have the skills or time.

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Arcrobe wrote:
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The 4x5x5 has already been made by Aleh using the pieces of two ES 4x4x4 puzzles.

Three ES 4x4x4 cubes. :wink:


how the heck did you do that, i would love to see some pics of it and the mechanism :shock:

If I would to guess, I'd say that it's made similarly to how the 4x4x5 is made.

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Maybe it's time for Aleh to show how it's made. :wink:


I will do it tomorrow. 8-)

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elijah516 wrote:
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The 4x5x5 has already been made by Aleh using the pieces of two ES 4x4x4 puzzles.

Three ES 4x4x4 cubes. :wink:


did Aleh actually use a 4x4 core or was it a 5x5 core? Cuz, I think I can see how this would be done with a 5x5 core, but a 4x4 core goes way way over my head.


3 ES 4x4x4 puzzles. I'm not sure it can be said much clearer than that. If you've ever stripped an ES 4x4x4 down to the core you can see it's just a cleverly disguised 5x5x5 on the inside for the most part anyway.


And personally I'd rather not see the inside of Aleh's 4x5x5 before I finish with my own 4x5x5. :) But hey, might be fun to see where his technique differs from the approach I've taken to this point.

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3 ES 4x4x4 puzzles. I'm not sure it can be said much clearer than that. If you've ever stripped an ES 4x4x4 down to the core you can see it's just a cleverly disguised 5x5x5 on the inside for the most part anyway.


And personally I'd rather not see the inside of Aleh's 4x5x5 before I finish with my own 4x5x5. :) But hey, might be fun to see where his technique differs from the approach I've taken to this point.


well i dont own an ES 4x4 or 5x5, and have never sene one dissasembled, exept when one is in a pile in a bowl or something like that.

and i think your right, id too rather see the 4x4x5, i was gettting ahead of myself.

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How did you fix the problem of the core getting misaligned?

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Wow, Aleh, I agree, the first thing I thought was "amazing!", however, although the pictures are amazing, I don't feel I quite understand the mech yet... (maybe I need to build a 4x4x5 first before I understand... :? )

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however, although the pictures are amazing, I don't feel I quite understand the mech yet... (maybe I need to build a 4x4x5 first before I understand... :? )

you just extend the inner layer on 2 axis' and move the other layers a 1/2 a layer

Did that make sense?

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however, although the pictures are amazing, I don't feel I quite understand the mech yet... (maybe I need to build a 4x4x5 first before I understand... :? )

you just extend the inner layer on 2 axis' and move the other layers a 1/2 a layer

Did that make sense?


So it is EXACTLY the same a 3x3x4 or 4x4x5 except with two axes? Well, I guess that's not as easy as I made it sound, but I always thought that the concept was more complicated than that. Is this the only 5x5x4 ever made? :|

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So it is EXACTLY the same a 3x3x4 or 4x4x5 except with two axes? Well, I guess that's not as easy as I made it sound, but I always thought that the concept was more complicated than that. Is this the only 5x5x4 ever made? :|

It is just like a 4x4x5 but twice(sorta) but not like a 3x3x4

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well, kinda like a 3x3x4, I mean, a 3x3x4 is the same concept but with a 3x3, and I'm taking it a 3x4x4 could be made the same way as a 4x5x5 except with a 3x3. But, nevertheless, you answered my question.

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I always thought that the concept was more complicated than that.)

Excuse, if I have disappointed you. :cry:

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Is this the only 5x5x4 ever made? :|

I did not see other 4x5x5 yet. :|

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Amazing Aleh! This pictures are deserving of their own thread.

I must say, I have not seen a single puzzle made by you that has not been worthy of being manufactured.

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well, kinda like a 3x3x4, I mean, a 3x3x4 is the same concept but with a 3x3, and I'm taking it a 3x4x4 could be made the same way as a 4x5x5 except with a 3x3. But, nevertheless, you answered my question.

not really,
a es 4x4 has a hidden layer(so it is basically a 5x5 internally) so you just have to extend that layer(or layers) out and move the other pieces a 1/2 layer. A 3x3 does not have a hidden layer to build up. So this method can not be applied to a 3x3.

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 Post subject: Re: 3x3x4 jouney (5x5x4 idea also)?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:34 am 
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Great 4x5x5 pics. It's what I expected it to be, looking the way I expected an Aleh puzzle to look like on the inside. :) Thanks for those. I'll have to post the pics of my 4x5x5 when I finish it. Hopefully soon before the year is out.

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