Online since 2002. Over 3300 puzzles, 2600 worldwide members, and 270,000 messages.

TwistyPuzzles.com Forum

It is currently Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:41 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 49 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:50 pm
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Image

http://www.witeden.com/goods.php?id=175

13 dollar price tag! BUT out-of-stock! probably not on sale yet!
personally I cant wait to get my hands on this one!
FTO in cube form...

_________________
Tony Fisher wrote:
I believe it would work best with black plastic.

My puzzles in the Museum
My Website
My Youtube Channel


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:57 pm
.... and I was just about to offer this puzzle :evil: ..... Oh well

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:50 pm
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
PLEASE offer the PRAXIS Cube then!

_________________
Tony Fisher wrote:
I believe it would work best with black plastic.

My puzzles in the Museum
My Website
My Youtube Channel


Last edited by Sigurd on Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:09 pm
Location: My House
I've been holding off on buying puzzles for a while (I was planning to buy the 'China Puzzles' from Meffert's), but I think that I may have to get this. :roll:

Alex

_________________
If I had £1,000,000 more, I'd be a Millionaire

YouTube Account: Cubiksrube113


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:21 pm
Location: Chichester, England
Holy crap! I must get this!

_________________
3x3x3 single: 5.73 seconds.
3x3x3 average of five: 8.92 seconds.
3x3x3 average of twelve: 9.77 seconds.

Buy the Curvy Copter Skewb, NovaMinx, and more here!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:57 pm
I'm gonna do it:

Is this puzzle a KO?

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:12 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:50 pm
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
what are you going to do? did you file a patent for this puzzle drew? if not, then no.. its not a KO.
but clearly CLEARLY a copy of your idea! everybody knows that!

_________________
Tony Fisher wrote:
I believe it would work best with black plastic.

My puzzles in the Museum
My Website
My Youtube Channel


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:47 am
Location: near Utrecht, Netherlands
A puzzle can be a KO for more reasons than infringing a patent. A puzzle can also infringe design rights, copy rights (which may be the case here), trademarks,...

I think that reasonably, the manufacturer should pay a royalty to Drewseph.

_________________
Tom's Shapeways Puzzle Shop - your order from my shop includes free stickers!
Tom's Puzzle Website


Buy my mass produced puzzles at Mefferts:
- 4x4x6 Cuboid for just $38
- Curvy Copter for just $18
- 3x4x5 Cuboid for just $34


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:30 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:45 pm
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
Wow, I would have never expected this to be mass-produced. Congrats, Drew!

Also, it looks like it will be in stock on September 15th. I'm excited!

_________________
YouTube

My band: Tackle Punch


Last edited by kuBer on Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:57 pm
Lawyers of the board....

I named this puzzle when I designed and made it over a year ago. Is it illegal of them to steal the name "Rex cube"????

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:39 pm
Location: USA Michigan
I want one! I booked it through witeden.

chris


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:59 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:06 pm
Drewseph,
what was the name you intended to give this?

_________________
~cubeguy314~


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:55 am
Location: WA, USA
It's not called the Rex cube on the site...

_________________
"This is Pretty off-topic"

"You are actually more off topic than me, you mentioned something on topic in the Off Topic forum."

"You more so for discussing the on-topic "off-topic" topic in the off-topic forum."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:08 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2005 7:37 pm
Drewseph wrote:
Lawyers of the board....

I named this puzzle when I designed and made it over a year ago. Is it illegal of them to steal the name "Rex cube"????


I won't be buying this until it comes with Drewseph's approval.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:21 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:16 am
Location: Maryland,USA
Tony Fisher wrote:
Drewseph wrote:
Lawyers of the board....

I named this puzzle when I designed and made it over a year ago. Is it illegal of them to steal the name "Rex cube"????


I won't be buying this until it comes with Drewseph's approval.


I agree. This is really getting out of hand people have no respect or dignity anymore these days. I'm waiting until/if this is legitimized.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:57 pm
Look, I have no problem with them making this puzzle. the problem I have is when they don't even ask for the right to do so, or even give me a heads up. At least with the petaminx the designer came to me for advice.

_________________
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:31 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:16 am
Location: Maryland,USA
Drewseph wrote:
Look, I have no problem with them making this puzzle. the problem I have is when they don't even ask for the right to do so, or even give me a heads up. At least with the petaminx the designer came to me for advice.


That is what I do not like as well, It's like you don't even exist or something.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:51 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:16 pm
Location: Somewhere Else
For anyone that wants to solve one of these, but doesn't want to buy one, you can simulate it with an FTO by stickering it with six colors in a cubic fashion (each color centered around a corner).

That being said... LanLan was at the same time working on a regular FTO, and the two can be made with an identical mechanism. It's possible that they came up with the shape independently (although I admit it's still suspicious).


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:38 pm
Saw it coming when the FTO was shown. When LanLan produces something that require a mech they didn't have before, they always put out several shape mods. But I don't think they developed the concept independently, curved cuts are unusual for mass produced puzzles.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:00 pm
It's a fairly simple shape mod of an FTO. I really don't see the problem. It's a very generic puzzle.

This puzzle was created by Drew first, but I hardly call it Drew's puzzle.



The Praxis, on the other hand, is distinctly Drews.

_________________
Sanity is only the commonly accepted level of insanity.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:32 pm
Location: Bay Area, CA
Jared wrote:
That being said... LanLan was at the same time working on a regular FTO, and the two can be made with an identical mechanism. It's possible that they came up with the shape independently (although I admit it's still suspicious).
Possible, although if you look at the choice of curved cutting planes and the choice of proportions I think you can see it was drawn from Drewseph's design here.
Image

Perhaps, like with the Fisher cube, an arrangement can be made to give some credit/compensation for so obviously using your work. Perhaps witeden can be a helpful contact in this regard.

Dave

_________________
Image
LitwinPuzzles.com has info on my puzzles.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:38 pm
Location: Russia
Imho, here two different mechanisms
Drew: Master Skweb + Curvy line and hide Corner = Rex Cube
LanLan: FTO + form mod = LanLan 8-Axis star Cube
They found their way to this puzzle ...
On the other hand, I agree, they copied the appearance

_________________
my Shop: ShapeWays, grigorusha Big Puzzle Sale: EBay
Image Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:17 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:15 pm
Location: Sandnes, Norway
grigr wrote:
Imho, here two different mechanisms
Drew: Master Skweb + Curvy line and hide Corner = Rex Cube
LanLan: FTO + form mod = LanLan 8-Axis star Cube
They found their way to this puzzle ...
On the other hand, I agree, they copied the appearance
I agree and therefore they should be confronted about it. Hopefully they have the common sense to make it right, one way or another. Who knows, maybe there could be an arrangement similar to the one Tony's got with Meffert's?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:28 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:25 pm
Location: Israel
its in stock on C4U - http://cube4you.com/lanlan-flower-cube- ... p-248.html

_________________
Some of my collection for sale

Image
The puzzles on the picture are not for sale.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:56 pm
is this equivelant to a skewb with edges?

_________________
MY ZAZZLE SHOP!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:32 pm
TomZ wrote:
I think that reasonably, the manufacturer should pay a royalty to Drewseph.


Totally agreed.

Tony Fisher wrote:
I won't be buying this until it comes with Drewseph's approval.


Partially disagreed. It is also possible to buy this puzzle and donate to drew whatever you think he deserves. I think it is a rather fair approach.

I think I will start a software project soon and this is the approach I will probably be using. (users will be able to use my application for free, and to donate whatever they think my project is worth so I can continue working on it. I will also donate to the authors of the libraries that my project will use, that are using the very same approach).


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:31 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:31 am
Location: Greece, Australia, Thailand, India, Singapore.
Ok here is a proposal (which is just a proposal), so please let me know what you all think.

Fact Nr 1. The puzzles *are* produced in China, and due to various reasons
(which I rather not mention again), the prices are scandalously cheap.
Fact Nr. 2. There is no patent to chase any violators during any Toy event, or to
convince ebay etc about intellectual rights.
Fact Nr. 3. Many people here cannot afford to buy the puzzle in its original price which is
understandable, while the mass production price can in no way be compared to a 3D printed
price or to the time and effort spent by a forum's designer to cast pieces.

Conclusion: If someone buys a puzzle which is dirt-cheap, then there should be some top-up
value directly sent to the original designer, say $5 per puzzle. For example, say the original
puzzle's price was $100, then you find it on ebay for $10. Why not add $5 to some sort of forum
fund for the original designer which could help him to come up with more puzzles in the future?
(direct paypal is in fact the ideal solution).

There is no need to place someone intermediate (and definitely not include to this the company
who makes them and does not cite the designer!). We are not talking about patents here, but
actually copyrights (how it looks). And the forum is quite strong with many people who are some
of the greatest people in the puzzle world, so I believe we need no external help.

Also, not everyone is requested to do so, paying a top-up should NOT be compulsory. It is your
choice to show some gratitude and pay a small tribute to the original designer.

I do not intend to be responsible of this "bank", but I wonder if someone would, and I would
personally support any such effort. I repeat, this is a proposal, mainly to those who can anticipate
the potential of our lovely forum.

:)


Pantazis

_________________

Educational R&D, Gravity, 4D Symmetry, Puzzle Ninja, Matrix Mech, Alien Technology.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri May 15, 2009 3:12 pm
Drewseph wrote:
Look, I have no problem with them making this puzzle. the problem I have is when they don't even ask for the right to do so, or even give me a heads up.


I agree !!!
After the DIY time, now, it's time for CSIY : "Copy and Sell It Yourself"
A lot of new and good designed puzzles are copy without permission of designers.
maybe I'd bought some in the past without knowing.

You don't need patent to be The designer.

As Drew, I'm proud that many people like my cube but I'm disappointed and quite angry to see it sold by someone who didn't ask permission, pay nothing and even don't respect the mane you choose for this puzzle.

Any solution ?
I don't know how to stop them but there is a risk to see good ideas kept secret by some designers.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:57 pm
Location: Pittsburgh
kastellorizo wrote:
(direct paypal is in fact the ideal solution).
I'm going to disagree with this just because of some of paypal's shadier business practices and how much money they lop off of transactions.

_________________
3x3x3 PB: 00:48.10
"Study gravitation, it's a field with a lot of potential."
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:08 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:31 am
Location: Greece, Australia, Thailand, India, Singapore.
theVDude wrote:
kastellorizo wrote:
(direct paypal is in fact the ideal solution).
I'm going to disagree with this just because of some of paypal's shadier business practices and how much money they lop off of transactions.


I know I know... there *are* fees for PayPal. But from an Australian/international
point of view, paying through a bank (the other possible way) requires a $20-$30
non-refundable fee.

Imagine if I had to order all those 1000+ puzzle pieces I got from ebay and friends
using the bank, it would have cost me an additional fortune!

I am sure my proposal can combine some better local solutions.

8-)


Pantazis

_________________

Educational R&D, Gravity, 4D Symmetry, Puzzle Ninja, Matrix Mech, Alien Technology.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 31, 2007 7:13 pm
Location: Bruxelles, Belgium
DLitwin wrote:
Jared wrote:
That being said... LanLan was at the same time working on a regular FTO, and the two can be made with an identical mechanism. It's possible that they came up with the shape independently (although I admit it's still suspicious).
Possible, although if you look at the choice of curved cutting planes and the choice of proportions I think you can see it was drawn from Drewseph's design here.
Image


A while ago I made a program to simulate a puzzle of exactly same piece configurations.
Attachment:
temp.gif
temp.gif [ 4.87 KiB | Viewed 6357 times ]

More or less of the same proportions, isn't it?
Except that mine doesn't have curved cuts but puffed instead.
As I got this idea independently of any existing puzzles, and when I made this, me too, I thought of the possibility of curved cut, it doesn't surprise me if several persons got the same idea independently.
I hope no one claims the exclusivity for the concept of this puzzle.
I mean the concept, the internal mechanism is of course another story.

_________________
Virtual Magic Polyhedra
Applet(Online)
Executable Jar Installer
Win32 Executable(Download)
troubleshooting


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:38 pm
The concept of curved cut obviously should be in the public domain, for it may be thought up by designers independently. But in the case of Rex Cube, I highly doubt LanLan came up with it on their own. Rex was published here more than two years ago(as we all know, companies like LanLan hunt for ideas on this forum)! Even if LanLan has the potential to came up with it on their own, that's not what they can plainly do due to Drew's copyright.
That being said, I wish to own a Rex Cube. So I hope either Mefferts can arrange legitimization or Pantazis' proposal gets enacted.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:39 pm
Location: USA Michigan
Wow this cube is shattering the web. HKnowstore.com also has it.

http://www.hknowstore.com/item.aspx?cor ... c71546a80d


I agree with you Tony!

Chris


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:21 pm
Location: Chichester, England
Now on Cube4You, but for a lot more money!

_________________
3x3x3 single: 5.73 seconds.
3x3x3 average of five: 8.92 seconds.
3x3x3 average of twelve: 9.77 seconds.

Buy the Curvy Copter Skewb, NovaMinx, and more here!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:39 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:16 pm
Location: Somewhere Else
Drew, you should let Uwe know about this. If all else fails, he might be able to do for this puzzle what he did for the Fisher Cube and others...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:38 pm
Location: Russia
I agree that the author of the puzzle Drew,
but by the idea GalatinBrain, which was available to all ...

Jared wrote:
Drew, you should let Uwe know about this. If all else fails, he might be able to do for this puzzle what he did for the Fisher Cube and others...


I do not understand ...
as Uwe can sell this puzzle and write on it the name of Drew?
her a completely different mechanism , it also has its own author - it needs to ask his permission!

_________________
my Shop: ShapeWays, grigorusha Big Puzzle Sale: EBay
Image Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 16, 2000 3:17 pm
Location: Hong Kong
Why not wait a few days and see what happens with this? I mean, you all know that Drew has worked with Meffert's before.

Wouldn't it make sense that he is doing it again? Or vice versa? Why rush to get a puzzle that you know was designed by someone on the forum, then complain that they aren't getting their fair share?

I know I may sound like a hypocrite in this as I get loads of these puzzles before Meffert's even hears about them, but he does hear about them. And without sounding like a braggart, there have been a few I have passed on to him as copies. In that regard, so has excalvin...more than once.

Anyone wanting to get this puzzle, I would advise to wait a bit and see if Meffert's doesn't do the royalty thing with Drew as he has done with Tony and others. Don't feed the coffers of the copy companies as much-leave a little for the designers.

_________________
Rox's Rambling Blog
Katsmom's Puzzling Videos


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:31 am
Location: Greece, Australia, Thailand, India, Singapore.
In the end of the day there are these options for designers:

1. You are a designer of a puzzle with no IP protection, and you team up with the KO companies
so that you could get a tiny return back.

2. You are a designer of a puzzle with no IP protection, and you choose to not team up with the
KO companies because you do not wish to have any relation to them.

3. You are a designer of a puzzle with IP protection, and you team up with the KO companies
so that you could get a tiny return back.

4. You are a designer of a puzzle with IP protection, and you choose to not team up with the
KO companies because you do not wish to have any relation to them.


In cases, (1) and (2), even if there is a honest reseller who is intervening, the final result does not change,
KO company wins. So the method of providing to those companies an alibi and forgiveness to sell their products
with the blessings of the original inventors for some infinitesimal small return, while the KO companies become
stronger to do further damage in the future, has a fundamental flaw by definition. Of course, each case, is the
decision of the individual designer, but myself, for my own puzzles, I would never ever support it.
Regardless if I have a puzzle with IP protection or not, I do not intend to give in in any of their blackmail.
Those who can help, should try to work with companies which do not have a KO past.

In cases (3) and (4) (which are rare cases), something *can* be done, but it requires many things,
such as extra investment, lawyers, belief that the puzzle is worth to spend your energy, etc etc etc.

I know that for almost everyone, options are limited, so I believe we should all should try to work with
companies which do not have a KO past and compete against those which have.


Then we have three types of buyers, some more ethical, some less:

1. They buy KO products without caring.

2. They buy original products if they are cheap and KOs if the originals are expensive.

3. They always buy original products, even if they are too expensive.


Buyers do not necessarily know that something is a KO. But we can at least give a good example here.

Again, teaming up with companies with no KO past, will divide the market share making it
harder for the KO companies. The TP forum is just a miniature inside the huge sea of buyers,
and educating everyone outside the forum against KOs is impossible, so giving them our blessing is wrong.
But the designers *can* control (even partially) the mass production sources.

Wow... have I gone super off topic or what?

:lol:


Pantazis

_________________

Educational R&D, Gravity, 4D Symmetry, Puzzle Ninja, Matrix Mech, Alien Technology.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:53 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:55 am
Location: WA, USA
I'm sorry drew, I'm sorry guys, but I don't feel this is a KO.
As it has been said, it was made with a completely different mech, and therefore is not a KO.
If it were wrong to make a puzzle with the same appearance as another puzzle, then there would be alot of puzzles that were unable to be made at some point...
If we are allowed to make it on this forum without conflict, why would it be wrong to produce it?

Lately the ideals behind this forum are starting to get on my nerves, people taking ownership of basic concepts or twistypuzzles that are simple build ups of things. By claiming everything, you are preventing people from coming up with new ideas, and the definition of "KO" according to this forum is constantly changing.

This is why this particular company has made this, they are confused about what YOU, the forum's definition of KO is... and frankly, I am too...

Feel free to disagree with me, but I'm getting sick of these gray area situations always being biased on one side.
Does this company have any past examples of KO puzzles?
If not, then this post is my solid opinion.

_________________
"This is Pretty off-topic"

"You are actually more off topic than me, you mentioned something on topic in the Off Topic forum."

"You more so for discussing the on-topic "off-topic" topic in the off-topic forum."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:58 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:21 pm
Location: Chichester, England
Well yes, LanLan has produced some KOs, but I do agree with you.

The fact of the matter is a fair amount of the customers of the product will (should) be us lot. We all know Drew made and designed it, even if it was with a different mech. A lot of us also know cubers who aren't on the forum, and so therefore we have information to spread to them about the orignal designers. It would have been very hard for us to get the orignal Rex Cube, but now we can, and we know the original designer.

_________________
3x3x3 single: 5.73 seconds.
3x3x3 average of five: 8.92 seconds.
3x3x3 average of twelve: 9.77 seconds.

Buy the Curvy Copter Skewb, NovaMinx, and more here!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:31 am
Location: Greece, Australia, Thailand, India, Singapore.
Just to make things clear, I was talking in general (which is why I said I was off topic).

And I know many are confused, there have been many different views and opinions.
So I just broke the "thinking" into smaller parts to make more sense.
(This is something usually done in mathematics to solve a problem!)

:mrgreen:


Pantazis

_________________

Educational R&D, Gravity, 4D Symmetry, Puzzle Ninja, Matrix Mech, Alien Technology.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:17 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:38 pm
elijah wrote:
As it has been said, it was made with a completely different mech, and therefore is not a KO.

I really don't think the mechs are different. Besides, Drew's credit of this puzzle isn't the mech (the FTO mech was invented by Mr. Shieh I believe). The Fisher Cube uses a 3x3 mech, but Tony deserve no credit? Likewise, Drew designed the Rex Cube, and he deserve credit for it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:21 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:55 am
Location: WA, USA
hmm, I guess your right, the fisher cube is a designed based puzzle... hmm...
Well, I guess I'm wrong on this one, haha :P

_________________
"This is Pretty off-topic"

"You are actually more off topic than me, you mentioned something on topic in the Off Topic forum."

"You more so for discussing the on-topic "off-topic" topic in the off-topic forum."


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:50 pm
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
a knock off can both be of a mechanism and an apperance. But its hard to draw the line on both options.
I still dont know if the Flower Cube is a KO, because I while I think they draw inspiration from Drew's puzzle, I also think they just tried to find usefull apperances to their mechanism. They could have chosen another, cut hexahedron is just so classic and straight forward.

I must say that when I first saw the rex cube, I found it marbelous and engeniously looking (I still do). And I would never have thought up that image myself. Yet it could be found on Gelatins Brain much earlier..

_________________
Tony Fisher wrote:
I believe it would work best with black plastic.

My puzzles in the Museum
My Website
My Youtube Channel


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:38 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:00 pm
If this is simply an argument of appearance, then all credit belongs to gelatinbrain.

_________________
Sanity is only the commonly accepted level of insanity.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:00 am
Location: Colorado
Ko or not, I will not buy this until Drew fully expresses his opinions.

_________________
My Shapeways Shop
My YouTube Videos
My Museum Puzzles


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:41 am
Location: dayton, ohio
I just checked Meffert's and the Rex cube is now under the reserve new puzzle section.

_________________
-Alec


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:21 pm
Location: Chichester, England
Well, at least that means there is a complete legit way of buying it, even if Drew does say it's fine.

_________________
3x3x3 single: 5.73 seconds.
3x3x3 average of five: 8.92 seconds.
3x3x3 average of twelve: 9.77 seconds.

Buy the Curvy Copter Skewb, NovaMinx, and more here!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Rex Cube at Witeden WOW!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 31, 2007 7:13 pm
Location: Bruxelles, Belgium
grigr wrote:
I agree that the author of the puzzle Drew,
but by the idea GalatinBrain, which was available to all ...

I'm sorry if I was not clear enough. I don't support any party in this particular case. KO or not, it doesn't concern me, since I'm not a puzzle designer nor a collector.

I simply wanted to to say that the concept of this puzzle is so simple that anyone can think of it.
Maybe "conept" was too ambiguous a word. Instead I should say external specs(vs internal mechanism).
If you can judge this puzzle a copy only from the appearance,
you can also apply the same logic to my applet and accuse me of using illegitimately others' ideas.
This is unlikely becase my applet doesn't threaten anyone's business so far.
But what about the future?
With the evolution of digital technology, more complex puzzles would be reasized
physically, but not mechanically.
I wonder what would be the argument of traditional puzzle makers to protect their interest against those new things...

_________________
Virtual Magic Polyhedra
Applet(Online)
Executable Jar Installer
Win32 Executable(Download)
troubleshooting


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 49 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

Forum powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group