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 Post subject: Latch cube by okamoto
PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:04 pm 
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good news¡¡¡¡¡

new design by K. okamoto

a 3x3x3 with limited movements

soon mass produced ¡¡¡¡¡¡

http://cubepuzzle.arrow.jp/uploads/fcke ... be_002.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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The link doesn't work :(

It returns this error message: 'Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /uploads/fckeditor/LatchCube/LatchCube_002.jpg on this server.'

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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try his website

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Now I see it :P
Looks great but, without a video I don't know how it behaves to this limited movement.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Some of the edges pieces have arrows on them. My assumption is that when all arrows on a face are pointing in the same direction, the face can be turned. If they're not, it can't. Initially all faces can be turned but as the cube is scrambled rotations get blocked.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Oh, I've always wanted one of those(I had the idea a while ago-if this is the same thing)

I think each side only turns either Clock- or Counterclockwise, so you can speed cube it without having to hold down the middle layer.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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I wonder how difficult that Latch Void will be.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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That looks pretty interesting.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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TomZ wrote:
Some of the edges pieces have arrows on them. My assumption is that when all arrows on a face are pointing in the same direction, the face can be turned. If they're not, it can't. Initially all faces can be turned but as the cube is scrambled rotations get blocked.



You're right.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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the puzzle then will be similar to the bandaged cube

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Does it internally have a ratcheting mechanism so the edges can only be sliced in the direction of the arrows they have on them?


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Bram wrote:
Does it internally have a ratcheting mechanism so the edges can only be sliced in the direction of the arrows they have on them?
That would seem very likely. Here's what Google translate thinks:
"Initially, three aspects of surface light green yellow face only left turn gray face, red face three sides face black blue face is limited to rotate right."

After some human interpretation, that reads:
"In the solved state, the green, yellow and grey (I think that's supposed to read white) faces only turn left, while the red, blue and black faces only turn right."

Which would match up with the arrows in the picture and your ratcheting idea. It's much more likely than my idea of the face turning any direction as long as the arrows are lined up.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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The ratcheting type idea reminded me of this thread viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15403&hilit=2x3x3

Should be an interesting puzzle.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Ratchet mechanism sounds good ... as long as it's not too noisy. :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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This page seems to be open to the public:
http://cubepuzzle.arrow.jp/modules/pico3/index.php?content_id=6

Someone asked if this puzzle will only be sold through Amazon because the arrows are Amazon's trademark :P

Someone wants to use the Void Latch as a ratchet wrench :P

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Is there any idea about when this cube will start selling?

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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ppeccin wrote:
Is there any idea about when this cube will start selling?
For the Latch Cube it says someday soon. For the Void Latch it doesn't say.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Just for your information, the Latch Cube is now for sale on Tribox.

http://tribox.cart.fc2.com/ca94/258/p-r-s/

It is 2400 yen or about $27 (USD).

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Wow, nice. This one went to market a lot quicker than the super-floppy. I hope they get it on the English site soon so I don't have to fumble through the Japanese.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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http://torito.jp/shopping/_latchcube.shtml

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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I might buy this. It looks very interesting. Imagine if someone took it, restickered it with normal stickers, and then scrambled it... :x

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Or if someone made a Nightmare Cube-type covering for one! :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Actually I find the existing stickering a bit confusing. This is the stickering used for the Latch Cube entered into the IPP design competition, which I quite like:

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But the stickering shown above, with complete circles and two-tone faces, is what was being sold, and what I bought and solved.

I kept messing up my transforms as I got close to solving it, and I think part of it was that I was confusing myself because of the superfluity of white/black markings, and the two-tone faces. (Is that piece gray, or white, or dark gray...)


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Doest this cube make a ratcheting noise when turned?

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Yu Nakajima has a solve video.


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Unknown_soul wrote:
Yu Nakajima has a solve video.

Oh, very cool! So I'm not the only one. That's faster than I can solve it.

I wonder which of us solved it first?


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Unknown_soul wrote:
Yu Nakajima has a solve video.

Very interesting to watch. It's hard to tell what he's trying to do at any one point. I'm kind of scare to try it but still want one.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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more video
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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Tri-Box will be started to sell it from 1st August.

http://tribox.cart.fc2.com/ca94/258/p-r-s/

But there is no package's image yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Hidetoshi wrote:
Tri-Box will be started to sell it from 1st August.


Thank you for the news, Hidetoshi. I was about to write to them and ask.


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Thanks, I was wondering the same thing. After seeing those videos, I would just love to try it out for myself.

Sigh, too many great puzzles to get lately, and so little time and money :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Wow...
Too bad it does not use the "normal" sticker pattern from the last Okamoto puzzles.

I hope that a version with those stickers appears.

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Alex wrote:
Hidetoshi wrote:
Tri-Box will be started to sell it from 1st August.


Thank you for the news, Hidetoshi. I was about to write to them and ask.
On the English website of tribox it does not exist yet. There is no search function either. The Japanese website doesn't help me. (I had looked for Okamoto puzzles)

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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If you follow the link to their Twitter account it tells you that international sales will start on the 9th.


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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I have also some items from this cube for sale, original packed. 20 Euros each + shipping.


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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I just purchased 4 of these (and a Scramble Cube) from Tribox :)


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Tribox has started international sales today, August 11th

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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My order from Tribox came today, that was quick!


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Hmm, direct from the manufacturer? Does this mean Gentosha won't be selling them? :|


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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mine showed up today as well... time to start solving! :)


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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how is the mehcanism?

anyone has try it

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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I've got mine last Thursday but I didn't have the time to properly mix it up yet. I did a quick mix but my turns must have been too symmetric because I ended up with a nice pattern that I could solve quickly (two pairs of swapped edges, FR-BR and FL-BL).

The mechanism is a bit loud (there's a click at every quarter turn), but the sides are not difficult to turn and the plastic is good quality so it doesn't feel like it will break.

I'm curious to see what's inside. Has anyone taken theirs apart yet?


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Yes, the mechanism is actually very simple and elegant. The centers have rectangular holes in each side. Each edge has a spring-loaded plunger that is ramped on the bottom, and fits into a center-piece hole. The ramp makes it latch -- it will freely slide in one direction, pushing back into the edge piece, but not in the other. After each turn, any relevant latches (one per arrow on the turning face) will snap back into the slot on its new center.

After much use one of my edges stopped latching, and turned freely either way; I had to take it apart and jiggle the latch piece. But maybe I had messed it up earlier when disassembling it.


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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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I took one picture some time ago and since the camera is not at hand I could not offer more. Hope it helps
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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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I got mine last week, and I love it. Even though it's really hard to solve, it's really fun to play with. Great puzzle, Mr. Okamoto!

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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I have split off the solving discussion to a new thread here.

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Woohoo! Just solved it for the first time! Thanks for all the help people!

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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I've solved mine several times and that means a lot of turning. I can't say anything bad about the quality of the stickers. They look completely untouched!
Still, I'll resticker a second one, because I find it nicer with plain colours and simple arrows. It makes a much clearer picture. Especially, I do not like the dark grey / black face.
Great puzzle, it needs a place on my list of all time favourites. Thanks to Okamoto san! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Latch cube by okamoto
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Yesterday, I've received my second Latchcube. I think I'll rename "Far East" into "Fast East". It is really incredible how fast latest shipments from Japan or Hongkong have arrived at my house.
I've restickered it with "normal" Cubesmith stickers (out of vinyl). Image
The original stickers are out of laminated paper. Probably, they have used this material due to safety regulations.
The original stickers have not started any peeling, but vinyl will probably provide a longer lifetime. I have not used any silicone spray on the first Latch Cube, because I was afraid that the stickers will suffer.
On the second one I have apllied a little bit of my usual spray and it turns so much better in direct comparison.
When I had a look at the mechanism (it is ingeniously simple), I almost lost one of the little springs.
So, be careful! :wink:
The rest is a matter of taste. Here is a direct comparison:
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