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He was careful in the video to not show how the corners stayed in. Probably because the KOing going on he didn't want the design to be taken.

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Well, at least we know it turns. Still seems a little sketchy, not sure of why he chose to reveal it the way he did, almost seems like the secret is lackluster enough that a reveal like this was needed, but whatever the case the puzzle is kind of cool.


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It looks great! :D

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Awesome! I had a vage thought it was real. I wonder if he used my idea on building a cubic 7x7x7...?

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what with this "it's cool" stuff :?:
This is awesome :D
I want one, it looks amazing!!!!


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I still don't believe in it. He did the same pattern as in Tony Fisher's 9x9x9 video. This is like confessing "it's a hoax".


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I still don't believe in it. He did the same pattern as in Tony Fisher's 9x9x9 video. This is like confessing "it's a hoax".


He must be really good at editing videos then. I wish I was that good!

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schuma wrote:
I still don't believe in it. He did the same pattern as in Tony Fisher's 9x9x9 video. This is like confessing "it's a hoax".


quite true, this is probably a hoax, but it would amazing if it isn't. if it is, he did a very good job making it look true, I hope it's true


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I still don't believe in it. He did the same pattern as in Tony Fisher's 9x9x9 video. This is like confessing "it's a hoax".

Yeah, but it was all done in one shot, so it couldn't have been multiple fake cubes. :wink:

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you can't really "prove" it was all in one shot, sure it looks like all one shot, but Tony's looks pretty convincing too. he could be just a really good editor.


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I'm not quite sure if I believe it. Feels like I'm watching a magician and he's trying to trick me.

Anyone notice he's using a very weird lens? If he didn't spin is so much, I might think he just built a normal cubic 7x7x7 and the lens distorts it so it looks like the cubies are equal sized.

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I really really wish that it is real. It would be great if the author can show us a normal scrambling and a solve. I think that proves everything.


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I think hes pulling a tony :lol: , it seems like there are some places where it has a very slight cut in the video, if its real, this is great, but im a bit skeptical because of the size :D

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No way is that video faked. There is not even a hint of a cut (to me). For a while I thought it must use magnets since he appears to be extra careful handling the corners early on. However at the end he is quite rough with them. This has got me totally stumped. I think we may have seen something pretty special here.

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I can`t believe. It`s real.
I worked a video-engineer some time - it is not a montage, it`s true.

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this was not done in one shot
check right after he does 1/3 o the checker pattern
you can see a plenty of flickering

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Arg! This is so frustrating!!! It's driving me crazy how the video was made! I'm currently downloading the video to analyze it frame by frame. Hopefully I'll come up with something.

If this guy is planning to advertise something (possibly his X-Cube 4x4) on April 1st when he reveals how it was done, he's sure setting it up well!

Over on SpeedSolving, he seemed to post frequenly in the topic for about an hour. But after Mike Hughey pointed out that after 10 days would be April Fools day, the posts stopped. Of course he could've left his computer, but it looks suspicious.


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If it IS real, could this mean that cubes of orders higher than 7 can also be made cubic? If so, that's pretty sick.


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No way is that video faked. There is not even a hint of a cut (to me). For a while I thought it must use magnets since he appears to be extra careful handling the corners early on. However at the end he is quite rough with them. This has got me totally stumped. I think we may have seen something pretty special here.



I'll have to watch it again, I was under the same assumption that magnets were used because he wasn't really touching them at first.


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Okay, after going over the video very carefully, I must confess there is a high probably that it is real. That last clip just looks to real. He applies a PLL that can only be done with corners that can be turned on all 3 axes. You can also see some of the centers get pushed as he grips the cube. If this was a 1x7x7, there would have to be glued pieces, but since they move around, they're obviously not glued.

BUT HOW DOES IT WORK!!! ARG!!!

He probably came up with every clue that would point to fake cube, (only showing 1 axis of layers being turned in the pictures, revealing the true identity of it on April 1st, etc...) just to trick us. He sure fooled me!


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The builder of this puzzle is a genius for a couple of reasons:
If real, then:
He invented a revolutionary mechanism that eliminated the need for pillowing
He brought it in a way that he got dozens of people puzzled over it's reality, eventhough it's real.

If fake (I think it's unlikely):
He is not a lazy bum but actually made an affort to fool people, by making AT LEAST a 1x1x7, and ton's of photo's.

My guess is that it's real, and the corners are either magnetic, TRUE click-and-slide, or some kind of floppy-ness.

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Right before 1:50, his hand lifts up one of the corners, I don't know if that has any significance since it is a very slight lift. Also, He may have Tried to sand down the sides of a v-cube 7, and tied to hide and signs of olzing or just slightly built on the sides and used stickers as an optical illusion. He could have edited the photos to try and hide something like this, although he most likely didn't. Possible same with the video. When looking at the v cube-7 pieces, they do stick out in the square shape for a small amount of space before it would succumb to olzing. And the size of the pieces between the pillowed and X-cube 7 are very similar. Even if it isn't too likely, it may have been done like this. Just a theory.


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Clay n Eva Creations wrote:
this was not done in one shot
check right after he does 1/3 o the checker pattern
you can see a plenty of flickering


Yes but I meant the important parts. I worded it wrong.

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The video looks authentic. I think the flickering is just the camera adjusting to the varying light levels and changing the colour balance. It happens when the cube blocks some of the backlight from his laptop.

I don't think he ever twists the layers by gripping the corner pieces. Perhaps once at 3:49 - I can't see where the fingers on his other hand are gripping because they're obscured by the cube.


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Between 1:59 and 2:00 you can see a corner lift up a little bit. Just sayin'.

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not sure of why he chose to reveal it the way he did


Personally I think its brilliant the way he's revealed this.... be it real or fake. My first thought on seeing the other post was that it was probably real as if it were a fake where is the surprise if you tell everyone it might be fake? And this way the puzzle is introduced WITH a puzzle and it got and still HAS the whole puzzle community talking and wondering "How?". Heck... even if this turns out to still be a fake I must admit I've enjoyed the show. In that sense it is just a nice magic show.

But having said that who didn't react with a sense of magic when they saw their first 3x3x3? Even the best magic can be real and I can't wait to see how this trick/feat is pulled off and I certainly give the guy showmanship points.

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Just been looking at the video some more. In the frame below you can see where it catches. To me it doesn't act how it would if the corners were magnetic. On my Master Skewb they tend to jump a little and then go back in place when this kind of thing happens. There is no sign of that on this 7x7x7. In addition there is a bit where the top side locks and he puts it back and then pushes harder against a corner. If this happened with magnets you would almost certainly adjust your hold to avoid the corners. The corners do not seem to behave any differently to how they would on a regular puzzle.


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Is it possible that is could use a 'Snap in place' type mech? Like ball bearings, but to a more extreme.
In the photo here:

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The corners to the left are slightly misaligned with the rest of the layer. Could it be possible that it's slightly falling out of place from whatever is holing it in? If it is, it might give us a clue to how it works. Maybe if it does uses a snap in place type device, the corners it slightly falling out of it. Although I don't know if this idea would have any promise to it, since the inside faces of the corners seem to be flat.


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There is no picture. The link seems to be wrong!

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Could it be something as simple as a thread? Maybe there is a thread linking each corner to the core. That would mean the mechanism would be hidden from the video, and in mid-turn, the thread would not keep the corners from slightly misaligning. It can then catch as if it was any other cube that was just a tad too loose, as Tony showed us in the frame. He would have to correct the mistake and go on. That would also explain the fishy way he turns the cube in the video.

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A thread of some sort, or even a thin steel thread... It just seems to make sense...
I did notice for a spilt second in the video, there appeared to be a gap between the corner and the second layer edge.

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tomorrow!!!!! we will know the answer!

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we are waiting for the answer! :roll:

I am thinking wire. or steel pin like neck.

If this is for real. then we have a new mechanism to go from. and vCube mech will be outdated. then we can see all sort of correctly proportional higher order puzzles such as Teraminx and Petaminx, maybe even higher.
think about correctly proportioned elite or even royal skewb! They will look mindblowing.


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we are waiting for the answer! :roll:

I am thinking wire. or steel pin like neck.

If this is for real. then we have a new mechanism to go from. and vCube mech will be outdated. then we can see all sort of correctly proportional higher order puzzles such as Teraminx and Petaminx, maybe even higher.
think about correctly proportioned elite or even royal skewb! They will look mindblowing.


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btw guys, i still don't get how the super 1x3x3 works. could any of you explain to me?

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and vCube mech will be outdated.
Not likely. I like a proportioned square 7x7x7 as much as the next guy but given the video we have seen (and I'm not ready to believe until I see a bit more *after* April Fools...) I don't think any speed cuber or even casual solver would give up the slick moving VCubes.

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at 3:42 i believe part of the mech is shown for a split second during one of the turns. also at 1:42 he takes his hand off the cube and it finishes the turn........ the whole way he shows it with a mirror is also suspicious to me...


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I have to agree the whole thing is presented in a very odd way.

Why take three minutes to show a checkerboard pattern? Note after each axis we have a lot of pausing, fidgeting, and moving in and out which causes the camera to re-focus and readjust the lighting. All look pretty smooth but these visual pops would be the way I would want to hide a cube swap if I was trying to fake a video well.

Why all the hand movement at 2:14-2:16? After all the mirrors and hand gestures and painfully slow checkerboard presentation we get one glimpse of actual multi-face movement, but even then only two faces are turned, which isn't a real display of "fully functional" and could hide all the problems that arise with the corner.

If I wanted to demonstrate something was fully functional I would just start to scramble it, moving different axes and different slices. It should only take 10 seconds. That fact that it seems pains were taken to avoid the simplest and most obvious demonstration leave me wary on this one.

I suppose we don't have long until we find out. Either way it is quite impressive: A fully functional cubic 7x7x7 or a very well done fake video. I can't lose, I like both outcomes!

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I think, if You do not want to show any hint to internal mechanism - You`ll move the puzzle very carefully, during 3 minutes at least, keep in hands strong a face to camera, and no any scrambles... So that video justify the way of presentation.

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I have to agree the whole thing is presented in a very odd way.

Why take three minutes to show a checkerboard pattern? Note after each axis we have a lot of pausing, fidgeting, and moving in and out which causes the camera to re-focus and readjust the lighting. All look pretty smooth but these visual pops would be the way I would want to hide a cube swap if I was trying to fake a video well.

Why all the hand movement at 2:14-2:16? After all the mirrors and hand gestures and painfully slow checkerboard presentation we get one glimpse of actual multi-face movement, but even then only two faces are turned, which isn't a real display of "fully functional" and could hide all the problems that arise with the corner.

If I wanted to demonstrate something was fully functional I would just start to scramble it, moving different axes and different slices. It should only take 10 seconds. That fact that it seems pains were taken to avoid the simplest and most obvious demonstration leave me wary on this one.

I suppose we don't have long until we find out. Either way it is quite impressive: A fully functional cubic 7x7x7 or a very well done fake video. I can't lose, I like both outcomes!

Dave :)


It is incredibly difficult to make a normal looking video if you are concentrating on factors the viewer may not be aware of. In this case he seems to be playing along with the fact that we aren't quite sure if it is real or fake. It's as if he wants us to think it is fake but showing just enough to prove it isn't. In addition he is trying to hide the mechanism. He may even have shot the video several times before and realised each time the mechanism was visible so this time he is really careful.
I was very tempted to do something like this for 'my' 11x11x11. Perhaps even revealing it on April 1st. A double bluff is kind of appealing if you have a twisted mind (pun intended).
After seeing olz design here- viewtopic.php?p=204243#p204243 perhaps we are concentrating too much on the corners and not enough on other parts of the puzzle.
BTW I doubt he will reveal the mechanism today or any time soon.

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I remember seeing a while ago a topic on non-circular turning circles, although I can imagine the pieces flexing upwards when turned 45 degrees, it still might be possible that we're seeing a full implementation of this theory?

It'd be nice to see how this has been done, as when the top and right sides are being mixed I am lost, as the corner catches (as Tony pointed out) and it seems to work - surely that's not possible on a fake cube?

One other question arises... If he has created a brand new mechanism, why not apply that to the 6x6x6 first as surely you have a bit more room and larger cubies to work with?

This has got me completely stumped! :shock:


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at 1:42 he takes his hand off the cube and it finishes the turn........ the whole way he shows it with a mirror is also suspicious to me...


I hadn't noticed this before and is hugely significant. It really points to the use of magnets in some way though at other times it doesn't seem to move right for a magnetic solution.

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 Post subject: Re: [VIDEO] Proportioned Cubic 7x7 (X-cube 7)
PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:58 am 
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turns. also at 1:42 he takes his hand off the cube and it finishes the turn........

I think he just uses his left hand to finish the turn.

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at 1:51 in the video you can see some of the mech between the 4th and 5th layer, it's looks to be white in colour, suggesting now magnets for the particular layer - this is really looking to me like it's real.


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BEEEDY wrote:
at 1:42 he takes his hand off the cube and it finishes the turn........ the whole way he shows it with a mirror is also suspicious to me...


I hadn't noticed this before and is hugely significant. It really points to the use of magnets in some way though at other times it doesn't seem to move right for a magnetic solution.



i'm sure that he finish the turn with his left hand!

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 Post subject: Re: [VIDEO] Proportioned Cubic 7x7 (X-cube 7)
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If this mech is real,(it's shaping up to look that way) the question is, is the 7x7x7 the extremem of this mechanism or will it work for even higher order cubes? And additionally... what will v-cubes response be to something like this?

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DoUd0uN3 wrote:
Tony Fisher wrote:
BEEEDY wrote:
at 1:42 he takes his hand off the cube and it finishes the turn........ the whole way he shows it with a mirror is also suspicious to me...


I hadn't noticed this before and is hugely significant. It really points to the use of magnets in some way though at other times it doesn't seem to move right for a magnetic solution.



i'm sure that he finish the turn with his left hand!


Yes I now agree.

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I have a theory! warning this isnt real so you can stop reading
has anyone else considered that he lives INSIDE the earth and that all gravity comes from the core?


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so does anyone know if this is actually real or fake?

He has not responded to any of my messages =(

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