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 Post subject: TomZ's Master Brilic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:34 pm 
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I proudly present my Master Brilic:
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My version uses a much different mechanism from Andrew's. Mine uses the most 'logical' one while he designed his around parts of a megaminx sphere he already had which resulted in a well working but somewhat strange mechanism.
My mechanism is essentially just a gigaminx (all the gigaminx parts are in there) sphere with the inner edges floating over those just like on a regular pyraminx crystal.
Because my design was unconstrained I managed to make it much smaller. Mine measures 34mm on an edge while Andrew's is 40mm(?). I think the size of mine is just right.

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Rotation is great. There is very little resistance when turning but it will lock up if you don't align everything perfectly. The inner edges can slide around a bit, just like the edges of a pyraminx crystal. But I'm very pleased with it. While I can't compare it to the original master brilic (Frank, are you coming to the GCD? I'm planning to.) but judging from the video I think mine turns a bit better.

Yes, the puzzle is tiled. I designed all of the parts to be as hollow as possible to save on the printing cost. All the faces which would normally have a sticker on them were nearly completely removed with just a small taper left in place to hold in the tiles.
The tiles were printed in Shapeway's full colour sandstone which utilizes the ZCorp printers. The colours came out well, but quite different from what was on my computer screen. I'm fairly satisfied with the colours though, you can distinguish all of them well.
I initially ordered all the tiles separated but they didn't want to process the 360 parts. I had to add a sprue connecting all the sets of tiles. Removing this sprue and gluing on all the tiles was painstaking work, but the end result is sweet.
Here is a construction picture of the tiles being glued on:

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I won't be selling this on Shapeways. The print is simply too expensive, consists of many separate models to be ordered in separate materials and building the puzzle overall requires an awful lot of work. I might offer a copy of this puzzle on ebay sometime when I'll have the time to build another. I'm definitely not parting with mine right now. You're still quite welcome to buy some of my other creations in my Shapeways Shop.
A video will be made later, I'm still waiting for the package containing my new HD webcam.

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:42 pm 
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Brilliant puzzle, I hope in the future I'll be able to own one. Would solving it be similar to a gigaminx? (Solve centers, pairs edges, solve like megaminx)

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:04 pm 
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Wow! This looks amazing. I really love the tiles. :D

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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This looks incredibly impressing.
I was bidding on Drew's version but stepped out at $ 1.500.

I'm not sure what you wanted to say here:

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While I can't compare it to the original master brilic (Frank, are you coming to the GCD? I'm planning to.) but judging from the video I think it turns a bit better.
Which puzzle is "it" in the last sentence?

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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konsassen wrote:
This looks incredibly impressing.
I was bidding on Drew's version but stepped out at $ 1.500.

I'm not sure what you wanted to say here:

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While I can't compare it to the original master brilic (Frank, are you coming to the GCD? I'm planning to.) but judging from the video I think it turns a bit better.
Which puzzle is "it" in the last sentence?


I think he means his own. I agree, even though I haven't seen a video. The movement of Drew's seemed a bit stiff. But I'd have been happy with it! :)

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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Yes, that's indeed quite confusing. I think mine's the better turner, so I've replaced the it with mine.

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:35 pm 
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Great stuff!
SEBUVER wrote:
Would solving it be similar to a gigaminx? (Solve centers, pairs edges, solve like megaminx)


You can play this here.

The way I solved it was by centers first, then edges, then megaminx solve, but the steps are different to gigaminx. For example the centers cannot be solved the exact same way.

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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orgasmicly well done :D

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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Kickflip1993 wrote:
orgasmicly well done :D

I agree, it's an amazing puzzle!


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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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Awesome puzzle, it's so incredible! :D

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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Beautiful addition to any minx family, I can't believe how good it looks with tiles!

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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Fatastic puzzle! The deep cuts are amazing.


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When I first saw this puzzle I thought of "Euclidean Geometry 3D Toolbox"!
A testament to its complexity and elegant appearance.

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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Wow Tom, you've become quite the builder! The size looks great, and I don't mind tiles, but I personally don't really like the colours, they're just too dull. But I would like to own one anyway!
Keep up the good work!

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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:shock: This is not just a Master, it looks Like God Brilic...


The Most beautiful Master Brilic for me...Very Nice and Stunning work for this one Tomz..Keep it up :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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what a perfect puzzle! I agree with APJ, i love the tiles!


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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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Brilliant and beautiful. I love the look of the tiles as well. It suits the Meffert pyraminx crystal theme.

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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I love it! I can't wait to see a video!

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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Wow..that's so beautiful! Congrats. I would really love to see this puzzle live. Maybe at the German Cube Day.

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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this is a really great puzzle!

the question I have is should this really be considered a master brillic? to me this (and Drew's) should be considered a pyraminx crystal (brillic) plus a megaminx. wouldn't the master brillic have both cuts be deep enough to go past the midpoint of the edge? I am not trying to belittle this awesome awesome puzzle, its just a question I have.

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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The first time it was made it was called a master brillic. It's a higher order brillic as far as I can tell.

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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I kind of agree with the notion that this strikes me as more of a combination than a higher-order. Still, I cannot think of any better name for this puzzle or a better puzzle to go with the name Master Brillic.

Which raises the question: What would a Crystal-Starminx combination look like? or combining the Crystal with the puzzle that is intermediate between the Crystal and Starminx?

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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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Based on the naming scheme for the skewb, I would agree that a master brillic might not be completely technically correct, but that is what Drewseph chose to call this puzzle. As the creator, I think he should be free to interpret the cloudy void that is puzzle classification as he chooses.

People will never really agree on what anything should be named. Using metric prefixes to name the dodecahedrons is a little cute, but gets wierd for the even numbers since it was decided that a step up of two orders would be an increase of 10^3. However, no one wants to try to market a Shallow-Cut-5th-Order-Face-Turning-Dodecahedral-Combination-Puzzle.


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 Post subject: Re: TomZ's Master Brilic
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Hi Tom,
my congrats to your nice work!
I expected that sooner or later one or more Master Brilics would appear.

Yes I'm planning to come to the GCD and of course I will have Drew's MB
with me :)

Looking forward to meet you there!

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