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 Post subject: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Here are some photos and video of a Master Skewb I made. It is a hand made transformation of a Face Turning Octahedron. It's slightly stiff though works pretty well. It's quite heavy and large with an edge of 7cm. It differs from Drewseph's since there are five squares on each face like Katsuhiko's.
Although this was my project I'd be lying if I said I thought it up entirely by myself. Influences came from Katsuhiko, Drewseph, Allagem and probably some more.

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Very nice! I especially like the hand-made aspect, although it begs the question--what did you do to get the corner pieces to function?

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Awesome! Especially since it´s hand-made. I also like the original skewb stickers.
Are the pieces you´ve made into the corners of the Master skewb already hidden inside the mechanism of the FTO, or did you find some other solution?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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You do realise you've out done yourself once again :lol:

Seriously great work, I thought this was impossible, you truly are a king when it comes to hand-made puzzles :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Fantastic work Tony! I too am interested to see how you attached the corners.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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That is so beautiful! wow!
I really like this version although its a bit large.

Please reveal how you made those corner pieces :) I think they look much like to regular corners of a skewb but the pieces around it must be changed, or what?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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When the last thread was posted about building this puzzle from a FTO, I immediately thought you'd be the one who would pull it off. Nice work as always Tony!


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Wow! Great build as always. Of course, with those neon stickers you always use, the colors match the regular Skewb perfectly!


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Fantastic job in transformation! I can't wait to see how you solved the corner problem

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It must have been clip-and-sl*shot*


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Great job, Tony! Thanks for sharing.


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what did you do to get the corner pieces to function?

Well, anyone could see how he did it; he obviously used MAGIC!

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Nice! The Master of the Skewb did it again - to make a fully proportioned higher ordered Skewb! ;) :D

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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EDIT: That obviously doesn't work, maybe the corners are fixed to certain pieces and it's not fully functional?


No, the video demonstrates that this puzzle is most certainly functional.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Great looking puzzle :)

I like the geometry of the five squares per face.

Regarding the corners, did you use cast Octaball pieces in conjunction with the curved lug on original Skewb corner pieces?


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Tony Fisher wrote:
Although this was my project I'd be lying if I said I thought it up entirely by myself. Influences came from Katsuhiko, Drewseph, Allagem and probably some more.


Wow, this is an honor. :shock: To be included in a list of such great puzzle builders as an inspiration for another great puzzle builder. :mrgreen:

There is an aspect that makes some puzzles "impossible" to build. While this impossibility can be avoided by various methods such as pillowing, flexing, uneven layers, etc. this problem does not occur on a Master Skewb. Admittedly, it is a NEAR miss, but a miss nonetheless. Drewseph never said a perfectly proportioned Master Skewb was impossible, just that he was worried about its stability, a direct consequence of being "almost impossible". I don't think I'm revealing too much if I say the addition of the Master Skewb corners on a FTO is roughly the same as adding the pyraminx crystal edges to a megaminx. Does that help? :wink:

Awesome build Tony (yet another has beat me to it :| one of these days...... :roll: )

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Type D results in the corners having hardly anything to hold onto the the center core, the mechanism becomes way too fragile in imo to have invested $400 into. the main issue is that the corners neck becomes thinner than the screw hole. the hole itself is so small, I prefer the neck to reach around the hole so the plug I insert into it is not visible once the corner caps are inserted.

I don't know how stable his design was, since he doesn't like to talk about it, but this is the reason I chose type 'B"


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Yes, there are many great builders and designers out there, but when it comes to hand made puzzles, Tony Fisher blows everyone out of the water. That and he's the King of the Skewb.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Skewb Master makes Master Skewb. Amazing job, Tony! What's next, Master Skewb Diamond, Dodecahedron, Icosahedron, any all your other Skewb transformations?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Pshh, that's nothing! Make this! :wink:

Great job, Tony! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Allagem: Yeah I should have also been more specific in mentioning that square faces were relatively unstable due to the size constraints I gave myself on the puzzle. the larger edge length gives tony the right amount of space for corners to remain stable

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Pshh, that's nothing! Make this! :wink:

Great job, Tony! :)


You know Drewseph already made that, right? :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Oops, forgot about that :oops:

I assume it's impossible to make a non-pillowed one?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Well, any pillowed puzzle could be non-pillowed, it just wouldn't be proportionate.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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:roll: un-pillowed AND proportionate

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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^--- it's impossible. lets not hijack this thread!

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Thanks for your comments.
At this time I am not revealing my mechanism. All moves are possible.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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I guess the most obvious way to make the corners stay in between the FTO extensions is grooves in all the pieces and rails on the corners. (That should work shoudn't it?) Although they would have to be deep inside, as There is nothing to be seen in one of the mid turn pictures. Additionally it would be really hard to make by hand and fragile when not alined.
The guess with the pyraminx chrystal edge technique is similar. I guess it is something like that.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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What's next... a void Master Skewb with the center square on each face missing? I have no idea if that is even possible but it sure would look cool.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Fantastic work, Tony. I expected nothing less.

This puzzle is one of the reasons I was hoping to get my hands on some face turning octahedrons. Being patient is supposed to be a virtue, but sadly it feels like my inventive puzzle chops are flagging when I don't get a chance to make stuff like this.

In regards to how the corner issue was resolved... I can't speak for Tony but usually I find that as long as the other parts are built correctly usually a way to make a specific piece work becomes pretty obvious as the build progresses. That's what worked for me with the 3x4x4, 4x5x5, master pyraminx, and others.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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I would cut out a circle from the FTO in the center so the screw protrudes, then make the corner attach to the core with a longer screw. I don't know if it would work or if that is how Tony did it, but that is how I would go about it.

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Tony Fisher, God of Hand-built Puzzle Design and Master of the Skewb has throughly upheld both titles once again. Is a Master Golden Cube, Master Skewb Ball, or Master Skewb Egg in the works?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Great work. It is always fun to see a hand built puzzle instead of a CAD modeled one.

A master skewb built from a face turning octahedron has an 8 armed core, while Drew's puzzle has a 4 armed core. (I don't know what Katsuhiko's Master Skewb used, but my guess is a significantly modified skewb) The corners are new pieces, and not just extensions of the inner [hidden] centers.

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Puzzlemaster42 wrote:
my guess is a significantly modified skewb. The corners are new pieces, and not just extensions of the inner [hidden] centers.

Tony Fisher wrote:
It is a hand made transformation of a Face Turning Octahedron.

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I don't know what Katsuhiko's Master Skewb used, but my guess is a significantly modified skewb

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Steryne wrote:
Puzzlemaster42 wrote:
my guess is a significantly modified skewb. The corners are new pieces, and not just extensions of the inner [hidden] centers.

Tony Fisher wrote:
It is a hand made transformation of a Face Turning Octahedron.

COME ON! Am I missing something. It isn't a skewb.

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Steryne wrote:
COME ON! Am I missing something. It isn't a skewb.

Puzzlemaster42 wrote:
(I don't know what Katsuhiko's Master Skewb used, but my guess is a significantly modified skewb)

You are missing something.


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Steryne wrote:
Steryne wrote:
Puzzlemaster42 wrote:
my guess is a significantly modified skewb. The corners are new pieces, and not just extensions of the inner [hidden] centers.

Tony Fisher wrote:
It is a hand made transformation of a Face Turning Octahedron.

COME ON! Am I missing something. It isn't a skewb.


Be careful how you snip the messages when you reply to only one part.


I referred to Tony's FTO mod, then Drew's custom puzzle, then Katsuhiko's original mod. There are no details on Katsuhiko's Master Skewb, but considering the puzzles available at the time, and his puzzle building skill, it is either fully custom, or uses some Skewb parts with several new parts added. (It is also equally likely that it is built from a rainbow cube, and is very similar to Tony's version.)

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I think I read somewhere that Katsuhiko's Master Skewb uses a rainbow cube as a core.

Mefferts should really concider mass procucing the master skewb. (Couldnt recist!)

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Mefferts should really concider mass procucing the master skewb.


I'll second that motion.

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A very clever idea to realise a Master Cube.
Because I scrolled very fast over this threadm I first saw and recognised the Octahedron in it on the picture with the twisted M.S. before I found the comparison pics showing the two puzzles aside of each other.

By the way: Are even higher orders possible?

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Frank Tiex wrote:
By the way: Are even higher orders possible?

drew made an elite skewb

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I apoligise to all I snapped at. I will read more thorouly from now on.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Fisher's version of the Master Skewb
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Now Tony, any of these?... :

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I know, the cuts are really close. A build up mod of your Master Skewb that looks like this one would be gigantic.

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No wait. This is my favorite. AFTER the original Master Skewb of you. (of course)

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Could you upload those directly to the forum or use some other site? I can't see the pictures and if I open them in another window, it tells me to sign up for Windows Live Storage, which I don't want to do.

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ok let's try again. :) (i can see them though)


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Well, those are just nifty.


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I was actually secretly hoping that Drew would make a Master Skewb Ultimate. :P


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I have the files for the master ultimate, have had them for a looooong time. yet I'm not very interested i making them though

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Sell the files on bedardpuzzles, someone else is bound to want to make one. :lol:


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I hope this bump will be forgiven since I am now ready to add the final piece of information. With all the recent talk on the subject I can now reveal that the corners of my Master Skewb are held in by magnets.
It has always amazed me how in the past the idea of using magnets in puzzles has almost been considered a joke. I can remember Doubleyou suggesting exactly what I have done like this - " I wonder how to hold those corners in. maybe shortcut, and use magnets? :)". This comment was completely ignored in the 'face turn octa -> master skewb?' thread. I am pleased now though that magnets are gradually being treated more seriously and hope my Master Skewb will show everyone that they can work. I should point out though that quite often they won't.
I found it difficult to test my Master Skewb in an unbiased way so I gave it to friend to try out. I told him there was something very different about it. After playing with it for a while he could not tell what that difference was. I am not saying it never pops but it certainly stays together better than a Meffert's Dogic. You can clearly see that in the video.
I am not going into precise details about how the magnets were used but it's fairly obvious.

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