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 Post subject: Cybedron, the cousin of the Cubedron!Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:52 am

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:31 am
Location: Greece, Australia, Thailand, India, Singapore.
It is the right time to actually introduce to you the Cybedron, the puzzle which, just like
the Cubedron, uses the cubic gravity mechanism. I did not spend any time describing
this very neat puzzle, and I really should do that, because it has some extra depth.

As shown in the photo below, the only difference being that the Cybedron uses TWO colors,
as opposed to the Cubedron's four.

Now someone may ask, which one is easier? Let me first note two points:

(1) The Cybedron has more solutions than the Cubedron, so in that sense, it is easier.
(2) The Cybedro's two colors make it much more deceiving, so in that sense, it is harder.

To emphasize that second point, during the Nuremberg Toy Fair we met Ingo Schütze,
the excellent solver for the 7x7x7 V-Cubes. He visited our booth to try out our puzzles.
While solving the Cybedron and spending some time with it, he looked at me and asked:

"Does it actually have a solution?"

I was very happy when he asked that question, as that underlined that a puzzle with so many
solutions can confuse the best of solvers! Ingo has a German site for the V-Cubes:
http://www.vcubes.de/

The truth is, that after someone can visualise the solution, there is a 50% chance he/she
is visualising the "NEGATIVE" image of what is supposed to be solved, and that can
make the puzzle look unsolvable.

Note that, the Cubedron does not have this property, and on the above, I am always
talking about the mathematical aspect of the puzzle, without using any dexterity moves.
Now if I go into the dexterity move issue, then both visualizations exist as a solution,
negative image or not.

But most importantly, the Cybedron is readily available to order from our website
http://www.mindstratpuzzles.com

Pantazis

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 Post subject: Re: Cybedron, the cousin of the Cubedron!Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:16 am

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:37 pm
Location: UK
Very nice Pantazis! I was really confused when I looked at it, and you're right...

I'm definitely going to try and buy this, it looks stunning

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 Post subject: Re: Cybedron, the cousin of the Cubedron!Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:32 am

Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:47 am
Location: near Utrecht, Netherlands
There's a flaw in your website on my tiny 1024*768 screen.

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 Post subject: Re: Cybedron, the cousin of the Cubedron!Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:59 am

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:31 am
Location: Greece, Australia, Thailand, India, Singapore.
TomZ wrote:
There's a flaw in your website on my tiny 1024*768 screen.

Yeap, I have noticed that, as I am testing different browsers (IE, Firefox, Opera)
and different resolutions (my desktop and laptop). Should be fixed soon.

Pantazis

PS. Hey... wait a minute, this is the Cybedron thread! LOL

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 Post subject: Re: Cybedron, the cousin of the Cubedron!Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:31 am

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Location: Wyoming - USA
It is very fantastic, but isnt this sort of....Old news? I guess it has never been formally announced on this forum though. Maybe, it is just because I am so excited to get my cubedron, I went digging for more and more info.

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 Post subject: Re: Cybedron, the cousin of the Cubedron!Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:03 am

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:31 am
Location: Greece, Australia, Thailand, India, Singapore.
Caphits wrote:
It is very fantastic, but isnt this sort of....Old news? I guess it has never been formally announced on this forum though. Maybe, it is just because I am so excited to get my cubedron, I went digging for more and more info.

Yeap, I have mentioned the puzzle before, but it was just a one-liner mention somewhere in some lost post
about something unrelated. And this puzzle surely deserves more attention than that!

Ingo eventually managed to solve it, but no one else managed to do that at the Fair.

Pantazis

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 Post subject: Re: Cybedron, the cousin of the Cubedron!Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:31 am

Joined: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:52 am
Location: Caister on sea, Norfolk, England
I don't know if I'd prefer this over a cubedron or not.

Since when someone imagines the solve they have a 50% chance of imagining the wrong solution, I could just imagine the other one, and I'd be half way to solving it.

This is also cheaper, but I thin I'd invoke a much stronger reaction if I was to show my friends a cubedron.

Hmm..

oh, great design, by the way.

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 Post subject: Re: Cybedron, the cousin of the Cubedron!Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:36 pm

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:31 am
Location: Greece, Australia, Thailand, India, Singapore.
Retr0 wrote:
I don't know if I'd prefer this over a cubedron or not.

Since when someone imagines the solve they have a 50% chance of imagining the wrong solution, I could just imagine the other one, and I'd be half way to solving it.

This is also cheaper, but I thin I'd invoke a much stronger reaction if I was to show my friends a cubedron.

Hmm..

oh, great design, by the way.

Thanks!

Cybedron and Cubedron are kind of different anyway, so it depends on what
someone really wants. A puzzle (Cubedron) or a brainteaser (Cybedron)?

Pantazis

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 Post subject: Re: Cybedron, the cousin of the Cubedron!Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:46 pm

Joined: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:51 am
Location: Malibu, California
As far as "imagining the wrong solution," this is possible on both puzzles. If you solve from one solution to the other, then obviously it isn't because you know which dimension you are in. But if you simply scramble the puzzle, you can end up with one piece rotated 90˚.

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