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 Post subject: Axis Cube
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:34 am 
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edit: This puzzle is now for sale. You can find info about it in this thread.

OH MAN, I love this puzzle. It's such a cool cube! And it gets so complicated really quickly. The scrambled version below is just a checkerboard pattern like the regular 3x3 on the left.

I will be selling these in the near future.

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BTW, this puzzle is based on Puzzlemaster Adam's STL files collection. And because of that, I'm not really sure if this belongs here in this board, because it's not *really* a new puzzle. But it is for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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Would anyone be willing to make one for me?

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Wow,

That looks so good in real life!

Great build quality too, I love it!

Nice half shot of the hex prism in the background too.


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It's beautiful. And it's unbelievable that it's just a checkerboard pattern in the scrambled pictures.

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Great Job Flambore! It looks awesome.

If you don't mind me asking, is the cube on the left stickered with cubesmith stickers? if so are they the regular sticker set or the bright sticker set?


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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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That doesn't look like the bright set to me, they look more like tiles than anything else!

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Wow. Those look fantastic. The Axis Cube, I mean. Is that going to be for sale? :P

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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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Wow! Perfect cube with perfect stickers to match. Great job!


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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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.... And this is why I hate shape shifting puzzles! I can't see what should go where! (I also can't solve my Bump cube yet, not even close)

However, Adams axis cube IS amazing as usual. I can't see the 3x3 in it!

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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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Wow, that puzzle is beautiful in white. Makes me want to go out and start casting my own puzzles..:D

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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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Woooow! it's really beautiful. :shock:
It's another nice design from -- Puzzlemaster Adam :D
I had found a method to finished Axis Cube with "Only Cut & Paste", It's really amazing inside the cube. 8-)
I'm working on this mod for two weeks, and I need one more week to finish it.

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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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That's a puzzle I would like to have.

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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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Looks fantastic, I fell in love with this puzzle the first time I saw it back when I believe Adam posted it. I still can't see the 3x3 in it, anyone want to explain where exactly the 3x3 is hiding?


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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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One of my favourite 3x3 mods, AMAZING. Beautifully made. I am planning to get the STL files for this fantastic puzzle


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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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tattooed wrote:
I still can't see the 3x3 in it, anyone want to explain where exactly the 3x3 is hiding?


The cube is rotated 30 degrees about a long axis (corner to opposite corner) which, in this puzzle is YGO corner to BluBlkR corner. In the top image the GO edge is a centre connected to a corner, likewise the GY edge and OY edge. The thinner triangles in the middle of the G, O and Y faces are corner pieces and the trapeziums in the G, O and Y faces are edges. Two of the original corners are at the opposite end of the long diagonal and the other six are the thin triangles on each face. Six original edges become trapeziums and six become part edges. All the centres move to edges.

It is MUCH easier to see if the photo is taken looking "down" on a centre piece so that you can see the cross that the edge pieces manke. I don't know if flambore would oblige? I can only "see" it because it is a similar geometry to my Radiation Cube, so I have a similar model to look at, it is very desceptive, especially from the (carefully!) chosen angle here!

I think I got that right.


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Wow. Lots of replies. Thanks for the complements. The credit goes to Puzzlemaster Adam for the design.

Georges wrote:
Would anyone be willing to make one for me?

Sure Georges, email me (flambore at flambore dot com) and we'll talk.

Ryan Thompson wrote:
Great Job Flambore! It looks awesome.

If you don't mind me asking, is the cube on the left stickered with cubesmith stickers? if so are they the regular sticker set or the bright sticker set?

They are cubesmith smooth tiles.


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Wow. Those look fantastic. The Axis Cube, I mean. Is that going to be for sale? :P

I will be selling these in the near future.

ejisfun wrote:
Wow! Perfect cube with perfect stickers to match. Great job!

I agree about the stickers. Adam provided the template, I have a vinyl cutter. I will never regret buying this thing.

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.... I can't see the 3x3 in it!

Yea, that's why I was in such a hurry to build this one. I have like 5 other puzzles I had masters printed for, but this one was at the top of my list.

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It's another nice design from -- Puzzlemaster Adam :D
I had found a method to finished Axis Cube with "Only Cut & Paste", It's really amazing inside the cube. 8-)
I'm working on this mod for two weeks, and I need one more week to finish it.

THAT is something I've got to see. You are truly a master of puzzlemaking. And yea, Adam has some beautiful puzzles. I bought half his catalog. :)

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Looks fantastic, I fell in love with this puzzle the first time I saw it back when I believe Adam posted it. I still can't see the 3x3 in it, anyone want to explain where exactly the 3x3 is hiding?

Does this help?
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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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It took timselkirk's description and your pics for me to really understand it, :oops:

Once again, excellent work. I almost bought the stl files myself.


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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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Fantastic looking puzzle :)

Those surfaces look smooth as glass in the last photo.

I think this puzzle rivals the Hexaminx for the most intimidating shape changer in a scrambled state.


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Justin wrote:
Those surfaces look smooth as glass in the last photo.

Cameras are great at covering up flaws. This one has a bunch. I am still working out some molding issues, because the way I have them now, I am getting a few voids. They're in non-essential areas (inside), but since this is such a shape changer, you can see them if you look close enough. The fact that it's a white puzzle hides a lot of them thru the camera.


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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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If the price for this is reasonable, i'm DEFINITELY buying one. If you put them up on bedard puzzles you'd be my hero :D

Excellent design and fantastic execution. All these new puzzles are so impressive.

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If the price for this is reasonable, i'm DEFINITELY buying one. If you put them up on bedard puzzles you'd be my hero :D

Excellent design and fantastic execution. All these new puzzles are so impressive.

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I will be selling them. Not sure where or the price yet, but I will be.


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I really hope I win the lottery before these go on sale....

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They won't be *that* much. :)


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Now THAT'S a dangerous looking puzzle! I definitely wouldn't want to meet one of those in a dark alley! :mrgreen:

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Justin wrote:
Fantastic looking puzzle :)

Those surfaces look smooth as glass in the last photo.

I think this puzzle rivals the Hexaminx for the most intimidating shape changer in a scrambled state.


I don´t think any puzzle rivals the hexaminx. But that doesn´t mean I´m saying this puzzle isn´t super/wicked/awesome/cool, and I would love to have one!!

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I agree. This can't be jumbled up that badly. After all, it's still just a 3x3 under the hood. :)


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An absolutely amazing design.
As I am really a big fan of shape changing puzzles as the Golden Cube (Skewb) or the
Hexaminx (Megaminx), I feel that this is the adequate 3x3x3 design.

Thanks for that. I'd be proud to place one of these cubes next to the puzzles mentioned.

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Very nice, esp with white.

I'm interested in one.


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This puzzle is officially at the *top* of my OMG MUST GET ONE list! It still looks terrifyingly dangerous. :D

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Frank Tiex wrote:
An absolutely amazing design.
As I am really a big fan of shape changing puzzles as the Golden Cube (Skewb) or the
Hexaminx (Megaminx), I feel that this is the adequate 3x3x3 design.

Thanks for that. I'd be proud to place one of these cubes next to the puzzles mentioned.

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By the way, this "unidentified" puzzle is an unstickered Axis Cube:
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I cannot believe that there is a 3x3 core inside there!

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Brilliant! if this ends up less than $200 I may just take 2! :D

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I'll sell you two for $199 each. ;)

Actually, I believe the price will be somewhere around $150. Maybe less.
I haven't even decided on a price yet, and I have four on a waiting list.


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thats a little pricy for me (not saying its not worth it :wink: ) I will probably get these masters from adam for xmas :D

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price sounds a bit steep for me, but i'll have to see how things look financially early next year. So i'm a tentative yes.

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flambore wrote:
Maybe less.

For those who want to make your own, here's the cost breakdown:
STL files: $60 (6 parts x$10 each) (plus, you have to either give a puzzle or 25% of your first sale to Adam as part of the condition of the sale)
printTo3d 3d printing masters cost (ONE of each part): $45 - this is for sparse mode. solid is more.
Obviously it will be quite a bit more if you have the entire puzzle printed.
In addition to those costs, there's the DIY type A cube ~$6
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the cost of the silicon mold material
the cost of the alumilite resin
the cost of the vinyl stickers
Plus the time to sand down the masters, clean them up with IPS Weld-on, sand, repeat a few times, polish, then make the molds, then cast the pieces, then trim and sand the pieces, then assemble, lubricate, test...

Sounds easy. Sounds cheap.

If you intend on selling a bunch of them, it's worth the investment, but everything from the DIY Type A on down is for each puzzle. But if we have 5 people making these things, we'll have $25 axis cubes. That's when I bow out of the puzzle making hobby. I'm not in this to get rich. I'm in it to be able to afford to make more, so I have to cover my costs plus a little more.


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Oh no, i'm not discounting the fact that you've invested a nice sum of money into this puzzle and you want to get some money back off of it. I'm just saying the price is a bit steep for my current financial situation. I'm sure there are plenty of members here who would be glad to buy one of these for $150 and wouldn't think twice. I was just saying that I'll have to see where I am later :D Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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I guess after re-reading my post, it sounded a bit defensive. That wasn't my intention. That's just what it costs to build one. Like I said, if you plan to make a bunch of them, the investment is worthwhile. If you only want one, it's not worth doing all that to build one puzzle, unless you're doing it out of love for the craft. :)

$150 is not the final price, and since I do intend on selling a bunch of these, it will probably be less. I don't have to cover my costs with the sale of a single cube. But whatever, this whole thing has gone out of proportion. I shouldn't have even mentioned price without some sort of a baseline. I had originally intended on selling the first one on ebay, see how that does, and if it's a decent amount, roll back from that a little and sell at that price. I'd like to sell these at a price that's affordable to more people, but I don't want to sell them so cheap that there are 1000 of them out there, each worth $25. Then again, $25K ain't a bad take. ;)


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flambore wrote:
I guess after re-reading my post, it sounded a bit defensive. That wasn't my intention. That's just what it costs to build one. Like I said, if you plan to make a bunch of them, the investment is worthwhile. If you only want one, it's not worth doing all that to build one puzzle, unless you're doing it out of love for the craft. :)

$150 is not the final price, and since I do intend on selling a bunch of these, it will probably be less. I don't have to cover my costs with the sale of a single cube. But whatever, this whole thing has gone out of proportion. I shouldn't have even mentioned price without some sort of a baseline. I had originally intended on selling the first one on ebay, see how that does, and if it's a decent amount, roll back from that a little and sell at that price. I'd like to sell these at a price that's affordable to more people, but I don't want to sell them so cheap that there are 1000 of them out there, each worth $25. Then again, $25K ain't a bad take. ;)


I might buy one if I can find a good way of making fisher grown towers to sell

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are grown towers 2x2x4s or 3x3x5s? Also, I said I would probably buy for under $200. I now am reconsidering, I think the appropriate price for this would be at $125, I can almost garantee you that I would buy 2 at this price, Especially if my 3x3x5s go well, which I don't doubt that they will, since the very first one with my new tool is looking like an absolute succes already... :D

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are grown towers 2x2x4s or 3x3x5s? Also, I said I would probably buy for under $200. I now am reconsidering, I think the appropriate price for this would be at $125, I can almost garantee you that I would buy 2 at this price, Especially if my 3x3x5s go well, which I don't doubt that they will, since the very first one with my new tool is looking like an absolute succes already... :D


grown towers are 3x3x5's and I was thinking of a price of $130 if it all is a success, and again flambore fantastic looking

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well, for grown towers, I may just be dominating the market soon, so good luck, but don't think you won't have some competition in selling them. :lol: Then again, I don't know exactly how many want these, so I guess I'm really not the one to be talking. :)

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well, for grown towers, I may just be dominating the market soon, so good luck, but don't think you won't have some competition in selling them. :lol: Then again, I don't know exactly how many want these, so I guess I'm really not the one to be talking. :)


your going to sell 3x3x5's im going to sell 3x3x5 fisher cubes so its a win win situation.

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elijah516 wrote:
well, for grown towers, I may just be dominating the market soon, so good luck, but don't think you won't have some competition in selling them. :lol: Then again, I don't know exactly how many want these, so I guess I'm really not the one to be talking. :)

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elijah516 wrote:
well, for grown towers, I may just be dominating the market soon, so good luck, but don't think you won't have some competition in selling them. :lol: Then again, I don't know exactly how many want these, so I guess I'm really not the one to be talking. :)

Instead of thread-jacking and talking about building a puzzle, why don't you actually build something! Every time a new puzzle or mod is introduced, you say you can build it. What are you waiting for?


sorry about the hi-jacking but I am going to build my first one over thanksgiving break where the tools I will need will be available. then I will keep making them from there :D

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elijah516 wrote:
well, for grown towers, I may just be dominating the market soon, so good luck, but don't think you won't have some competition in selling them. :lol: Then again, I don't know exactly how many want these, so I guess I'm really not the one to be talking. :)

Instead of thread-jacking and talking about building a puzzle, why don't you actually build something! Every time a new puzzle or mod is introduced, you say you can build it. What are you waiting for?


Ow calzone... that hurt... :cry: :(

I don't think I say that to THAT MANY puzzles, I am sorry for thread jacking though... and I am building the puzzle right now, almost done with it... it should be done tommorow... :( sorry...

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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:28 pm 
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I'm surprised nobody has posted this yet, but could we possibly get a video of this *amazing* puzzle? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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I'll see what I can do. I've never posted a video to youtube (how sad is that?), but I guess ya gotta start somewhere, eh?


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 Post subject: Re: Axis Cube
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Amazing, I love the look of this puzzle. I am not a big collector but something like this, I think I am going to change that. If I got one, it would probably stay on the shelf for days so I could just look at it. Beautiful. Well done.

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