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 Post subject: Re: another cubemeister's collection
PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:27 am 
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Good reply Thomas, but it is also (nearly) always a question of how much is offered.
By 'much' I mean in this case the debt due for my flat.

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Ummmm! I Cannot Live Without Some Cheese Cake! :mrgreen:

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SlowErnoCubest wrote:
Ummmm! I Cannot Live Without Some Cheese Cake! :mrgreen:


Can someone please explain to me if the above comment has a meaning that escapes me?
This is the second time I see it and I can't understand it.

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It actually has Over 9,000! meanings.

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Georges wrote:
SlowErnoCubest wrote:
Ummmm! I Cannot Live Without Some Cheese Cake! :mrgreen:


Can someone please explain to me if the above comment has a meaning that escapes me?
This is the second time I see it and I can't understand it.



As much as it surprises you, there *is* an explanation.

You probably know the "posting in the wrong fourm" disorder
which many members (especially new) seem to suffer from.

Now, in our case, this is related to the "posting in the wrong thread"
disorder, which is a much more severe case...

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Dear Dr Pantazi,

Sorry , but I still don't understand.
I'll send you an email to ask for further explanations.
Please send the bill to the usual address.
Thank you.

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Georges wrote:
Good reply Thomas, but it is also (nearly) always a question of how much is offered.
By 'much' I mean in this case the debt due for my flat.



ok. I hope you find a sealed floppy cube. ANd I dont know how much I'll offer. if you jsut throw an honest price at me, I'll see if i can afford it.

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PotatoSpades22095, what is an honest price in this case?
Very difficult to fix.
The Floppy cubes are no longer made on order.
I'd like to know how many exist.
(Thank you Katsuhiko for making one for me.)
The Floppy Cube is rarer than the Rubik's Cheese I guess.

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I just can't take PotatoSpades for real.

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joey wrote:
I just can't take PotatoSpades for real.

well, maybe if i had an estimate on the price, then I cound tell if its something I'd buy. If it's like $100,000 then no i can't buy it but I need to ahve an estimate.

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PotatoSpades22095 wrote:
joey wrote:
I just can't take PotatoSpades for real.

well, maybe if i had an estimate on the price, then I cound tell if its something I'd buy. If it's like $100,000 then no i can't buy it but I need to ahve an estimate.



Actually, this has to stop. There is no way you can afford to get a Floppy Cube right now.
Grow up, get a job, start collecting in a serious way, and then and ONLY then you may
make some claims to acquire one. Because right now, you are only creating confusion.

Making pointless comments all the time is not the correct way, trust me on this.

This is also directed to others (mostly young members) who do the same things
and claim all the time that they want to buy an expensive puzzle. If you like a good
quality puzzle, please ask for the price first, and then make remarks "I will buy this".
Otherwise you are not pretending only to us, but to yourselves too.
(I could make a new post containing all such ridiculous remarks, they are so many!)


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I'm assuming a *very* small amount of floppy cubes were made. Like 20? 10? I only know of Georges publically saying he has one. They were/are very expensive, and probably out of your price range if one *was* being sold.

Another reason I didn't take you for real is that Georges didn't actually sell his whole collection, and even then you talk about a 'sealed floppy cube'....

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joey wrote:
I'm assuming a *very* small amount of floppy cubes were made. Like 20? 10? I only know of Georges publically saying he has one. They were/are very expensive, and probably out of your price range if one *was* being sold.

Another reason I didn't take you for real is that Georges didn't actually sell his whole collection, and even then you talk about a 'sealed floppy cube'....


Exactly.

And for your idea (I am refering to those who make rubbish remarks), when joey joined this forum
he was younger than many others who did, but still, he never made such rubbish remarks.
I guess it is a matter of respect, a word that certain people do not seem to understand.

I will now go back to puzzling, enough time wasted.

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 Post subject: Re: another cubemeister's collection
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Thank you for those kind words Pantazis!
Now, I have found a map of where we could find some rare puzzles. Bring torch, black clothes, balaclava etc, and meet me at my house at nine tonight. Georges is out of town tonight.

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:lol: I like to think I'm a "serious collector". But when I see Georges and others collections, I often wonder.

I have a job. It pays ok.

I'm "older".

I would never consider asking how much a person wants for a puzzle. I might offer market price, but I think I would even hesitate before I do that. To me, by simply asking how much you want for a puzzle without making an offer is slightly insulting. First, you should have done some research to find a relative value. Next, you should find out if the person is even interested in sellling. In this case, the topic has been a bit of a joke. Ninjas and teddy bears should have made that pretty clear.

Now, Georges, I'll give you HK$10 for a floppy cube. I think it is that loosened up 3x3x3 that got dropped and was sticky taped and rubberbanded back together. :wink:

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I completely agree with you pantazis, I don't like those comments either, believe I never made one, but what kind of comments would you consider: 'sold it to mister PooPoohead', and 'will you adopt me?'. I know they were jokes, but it got a little out of hand. The topic began with just the coolest pictures of the most puzzles together I ever saw, and then went from adoption to a bad joke about selling everything that some people actually believed, onto this discussion.

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I have now several very interesting factory made puzzles:

4 Dino Cubes (with boxes)
1 Trajber Octahedron
2 Rubik's Cheese (Rubik's Sajt)
1 sealed Domino
1 sealed Domino for the blind
1 Sterling Silver Cube
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1 sealed Hungarian Supernova (French package)
1 Hungarian Supernova (UK package)

Please don't ask for how much I'm going to sell them.

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Sjoerd wrote:
I completely agree with you pantazis, I don't like those comments either, believe I never made one, but what kind of comments would you consider: 'sold it to mister PooPoohead', and 'will you adopt me?'. I know they were jokes, but it got a little out of hand. The topic began with just the coolest pictures of the most puzzles together I ever saw, and then went from adoption to a bad joke about selling everything that some people actually believed, onto this discussion.

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Well you said it by yourself. It was a joke and everyone responded and had fun.
And bad joke? How could *anyone* believe Georges would sell his collection???
But even if some people fell for it, there was no harm and added to the mystery.

Now, let's look at the other "side".
Did anyone had fun with a few pointless (and mainly vain) questions regarding
buying an extremely hard to find puzzle from a non-collector? I believe not.
Such things have been asked so many times, the topic has been beaten to death.

I hope you understand now.


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speaking of Hungarian Supernovae (in another thread the possibility that they are remade was discussed), I have bought one of the new 'old' ones and am waiting to receive my package to be able to compare it to the old ones.
I am in love with the Hungarian Supernova.

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How could *anyone* believe Georges would sell his collection???
But even if some people fell for it, there was no harm and added to the mystery.



Well... This April *wink wink* me and Frank Tiex will be selling our collections - one big price of $1 Million dollars! (or should we make it GBP? yeah, the exchange rate would be better :D :lol:)

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kastellorizo wrote:
And for your idea (I am refering to those who make rubbish remarks), when joey joined this forum
he was younger than many others who did, but still, he never made such rubbish remarks.
I guess it is a matter of respect, a word that certain people do not seem to understand.


What pains me is some of the people who are making this rubbish remarks are around the same age I was when I joined this forum. I know I'm still one of the younger members, but I pray that I never made such comments. I feel like instead of posting, a lot of the newer members should sit back and just read the forum for some time. I didn't join this forum until I had been reading it for a good 4-5 months. By this time I feel that I had gotten an understanding of the flow of this forum; what is appropriate and what is not. It seems that many of the new members aren't noticing or catching on to the nuances of this community at all.

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reeeech wrote:
kastellorizo wrote:
How could *anyone* believe Georges would sell his collection???
But even if some people fell for it, there was no harm and added to the mystery.



Well... This April *wink wink* me and Frank Tiex will be selling our collections - one big price of $1 Million dollars! (or should we make it GBP? yeah, the exchange rate would be better :D :lol:)


Alright, let's go for it! :lol: :lol:

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Noah wrote:
I feel like instead of posting, a lot of the newer members should sit back and just read the forum for some time. I didn't join this forum until I had been reading it for a good 4-5 months. By this time I feel that I had gotten an understanding of the flow of this forum;


Excellent point. Someone really needs to be familiarised. Moreover, some of the jokes we make
(including the mrpoopoohead and the adoption part) *have* been part of the past fun (and
trading!) of this forum and this can be verified by a simple search. I repeat, a simple search.
Let me repeat it for a third time: a simple search. (ok, I am done now).

So anyone who is new and comes to the forum without knowing certain facts (or wanting to
know them), will always mix up the fun with the "rubbish", which in turn, generates confusion.
And so on.

"rubbish" in this case is defined as:

remarks said by newcomers who use a serious tone, yet they have no idea of what
they are really talking about, but they just say it anyway, hoping it will sound cool.



I will not repeat this again, in the future I will simply post a link to this subsection of the post. 8-)




reeeech wrote:
Well... This April *wink wink* me and Frank Tiex will be selling our collections - one big price of $1 Million dollars! (or should we make it GBP? yeah, the exchange rate would be better :D :lol:)


Frank Tiex wrote:
Alright, let's go for it! :lol: :lol:


Please make it in AUS$, so that I won't have to lose too much in the conversion.

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Can someone please explain to me what is so special about a floppy cube? They seem rare and expensive, and I can't find anywhere to buy them. I am assuming that we are talking about Katsuhiko Okamoto's Floppy cube and not George Miller's because talking about Miller's cube is a waste of time and energy.

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Can someone please explain to me what is so special about a floppy cube? They seem rare and expensive, and I can't find anywhere to buy them.


Because you can't buy them. ;) He (Okamoto) didn't exactly mass produce them like the Void Cube, so they're extremely rare.


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Because you can't buy them. ;) He (Okamoto) didn't exactly mass produce them like the Void Cube, so they're extremely rare.



Didn't the Floppy Cube also win an IPP award?

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What is also very special is that you can try to imagine the mechanism, but this isn't very obvious to understand.

http://puzzle3d.hp.infoseek.co.jp/floppycube.html

And yes it won a first prize on IPP 2006.

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I hear he occasionally sells them on His website but I could only use googles crappy translator.

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Bigfoot wrote:
I hear he occasionally sells them on His website but I could only use googles crappy translator.


Quote:
Owing to pressure of business, sale is stopped for the time being.
I am sorry.

from http://puzzle3d.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sub6.html

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For the time being

Who knows... we might get lucky :?:

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Georges wrote:
What is also very special is that you can try to imagine the mechanism, but this isn't very obvious to understand.

http://puzzle3d.hp.infoseek.co.jp/floppycube.html

And yes it won a first prize on IPP 2006.


I don't know that mechanism, but i did make an interesting observation. When the the sides are turned, the centers "flex" and bend a little.... but from that i have make no conclusions...

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I'm pretty sure i know how to build a floppy cube. But i need to know one key measurement before i can confirm whether i can or not.

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If you need one measurement then you really can't build it can you? Hey Georges do you have any ideas about the mechanism?

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Bigfoot wrote:
Hey Georges do you have any ideas about the mechanism?


I am a member of FCMD* and we** had many interesting meetings about what the mechanism is.
Unfortunately we haven't come to any issue - yet.


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Georges wrote:
Bigfoot wrote:
Hey Georges do you have any ideas about the mechanism?


I am a member of FCMD* and we** had many interesting meetings about what the mechanism is.
Unfortunately we haven't come to any issue - yet.


*Floppy Cube Mechanism Discoverers
** in no special order and very incomplete: I, Pantazis, Thomas, Erik, ...


to... infinity!!!!
(the FCMD list that is)

Younger members, please try to finish up a project and then make statements.
Unless you plan to become politicians when you grow up.

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kastellorizo wrote:
Younger members, please try to finish up a project and then make statements.
Unless you plan to become politicians when you grow up.

;)


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I'm guessing this was directed at me? If so, i have completed two projects(not a floppy cube), but again, i said i THINK i know how to build one. Not saying i definitely do or will build one in the future.

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kastellorizo wrote:
Georges wrote:
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Hey Georges do you have any ideas about the mechanism?


I am a member of FCMD* and we** had many interesting meetings about what the mechanism is.
Unfortunately we haven't come to any issue - yet.


*Floppy Cube Mechanism Discoverers
** in no special order and very incomplete: I, Pantazis, Thomas, Erik, ...


to... infinity!!!!
(the FCMD list that is)

Younger members, please try to finish up a project and then make statements.
Unless you plan to become politicians when you grow up.

;)


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Are you implying I'm a younger member!?! :oops: How flattering :D

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If you *think* that a particular statement of mine was directed at you,
then it probably was. So instead of making more statements, please make
some amazing puzzle and make me eat my words.
(something that would in fact, benefit everyone!)

If you think the statement was not directed at you, then it should!!! :P

No escape, sorry. (conclusion: I was refering to everyone in this forum - I am also "young"! LOL)

:mrgreen:


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PS. On a serious note, my remark was more of "I don't believe until I see".
And you can't blame anyone for that (me included), as there are many who
claim that they can do many things, but only few have prevailed.
It is just that this has been going on too much (like a chewing gum) lately.
Do you disagree?
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kastellorizo wrote:
PS. On a serious note, my remark was more of "I don't believe until I see".
And you can't blame anyone for that (me included), as there are many who
claim that they can do many things, but only few have prevailed.
It is just that this has been going on too much (like a chewing gum) lately.
Do you disagree?
PS2. "young" = young in mind and heart!


Of course I agree. All i was pointing out was that i think you mistook what i was saying a bit. Again, i never said i was working on a floppy cube or i have plans to, but i was simply stating that i may have the internal mechanism figured out. Well, i have the mechanism figured out for a functional floppy cube, but it might not have normal sized cubies. If you want, i'll PM you what my mechanism would be if you don't believe me...also as an added benefit, i won't spoil it for anyone else who's trying to figure it out. However, just because i understand a puzzle doesn't mean i'm going to build it or anything. Especially in the near future.

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kastellorizo wrote:
If you *think* that a particular statement of mine was directed at you,
then it probably was.


ok, I tried to be kind before. So here is my real take:

I think waaaay too many people take things personally these days.
Plus, I never say names, so if you think your statements are fine,
why defend them? Unless...

;)


Pantazis

PS. I won't be repeating again those words, it defeats its purpose.

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Cubism wrote:
::speechless::


???


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As most of you know I also collect books and solutions about Rubik's Cube and the like.

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Yesterday I got a very interesting piece to add to my collection.
An original of the following item I had got as a copy in 1985 from David Singmaster:
VARGA Tamás;Meg egyszer a buvos kocka;Elet es tudomany 25.7.80 p. 940-943;;1980;4;copy;Hungarian;3x3x3;;

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The solution inside is signed by the author.

This is a good opportunity for me to call out for books, magazines, copies of handwritten or typewritten solutions I don't yet have.
I am willing to pay or trade for any original I don't have (and there are a lot I don't even know of I guess).
Here are some books I have spare copies of: http://www.helm.lu/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=12064 .
(Only the book by Deledicq/Touchard has been sent to a friend in France who had been looking for years for this book, all the other are still available).
I intend to sell all of them on Ebay in one big auction.


My solution list (I will have to update it some time now, there are at least 40 items missing) is here:
http://webplaza.pt.lu/public/geohelm/myweb/cubbib.htm (list sorted by author) and here
http://webplaza.pt.lu/public/geohelm/myweb/cubbibs.htm (list sorted by puzzle)
Pictures of the original books and magazines with solutions I have are here:
http://www.helm.lu/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=7118

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Georges, I guess I do have a book you don't have, as well as some rare early Rubik's cubes.
A trade for a Rubik's Cheese, perhaps? 8-)

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Aleksey wrote:
Georges, I guess I do have a book you don't have, as well as some rare early Rubik's cubes.
A trade for a Rubik's Cheese, perhaps? 8-)


I know, I know. Your email is still sitting in my Inbox, Aleksey!
Waiting to be answered.
The Rubik's Cheese I am willing to trade is the first one I got.
It is more loose than the one I bought recently.

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Are the solutions on the solution page just books with solutions in them, or also just printed out solutions or computer files? Because at the moment, I have solutions to the megaminx, pyraminx and 2x2x2 in english in dutch, which aren't very special, and a solution to the 6x6x6 in english, and am working on solutions to the 4x4x4 and 5x5x5, and I'm going to do the skewb and the puraminx crystal too, and probably some more. They are pretty detailed and with lots of explaining pictures. They are computer files, I will have the printed to be part of my graduation paper together with some other things, but I don't mind sharing. most non-cubers at my school wouldn't even consider trying to solve a 6x6. If you are interested PM me, but then still I don't know if the solution list is just books :P

Sjoerd

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Solutions comprise also typewritten,

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handwritten,

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and web published solutions like Mèfferts' solutions.

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